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Puzzle time - slicing the pie

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Klaus
    wrote on last edited by Klaus
    #4

    My (sloppy) reasoning:

    ||
    The first elements of the "max parts after n cuts" sequence seem to be 1,2,4,7,10,14,19. That's the beginning of A007980, whose description sounds vaguely related to the problem. It's 11th element is what I wrote above.
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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      #5

      That’s not the answer and that’s not the series. Also 10 cuts not 100.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        #6

        Yeah, I corrected the # of cuts. Still not right? I'm trying to avoid actually thinking.

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          #7

          It’s not. Still the wrong series.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • KlausK Offline
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            #8

            OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

            A023115 - 45
            A076101 - 52
            A094281 - 51
            A323623 - 43
            A023536 - 46
            A047808 - 44
            A076268 - 42
            A024536 - 49
            A117237 - 52

            It must be one of those 😁

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              #9

              Hint:

              ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • KlausK Klaus

                OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

                A023115 - 45
                A076101 - 52
                A094281 - 51
                A323623 - 43
                A023536 - 46
                A047808 - 44
                A076268 - 42
                A024536 - 49
                A117237 - 52

                It must be one of those 😁

                jon-nycJ Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #10

                @Klaus said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                OK, here's what all other sequences that start with 1,2,4,6,10,14,19 stored at that nice website say about it's 10th/11th element:

                A023115 - 45
                A076101 - 52
                A094281 - 51
                A323623 - 43
                A023536 - 46
                A047808 - 44
                A076268 - 42
                A024536 - 49
                A117237 - 52

                It must be one of those 😁

                And it’s none of those!

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Hint:

                  ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

                  KlausK Offline
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #11

                  @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                  Hint:

                  ||Thinking of the cuts as lines on a circle, what’s the largest number of lines the nth cut can intersect?||

                  Hey, I'm in a Zoom meeting right now. I can only do this as a low-priority background task that doesn't require me to think 🙂

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                  • KlausK Offline
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                    Klaus
                    wrote on last edited by Klaus
                    #12

                    ||
                    Oh, I see, my problem was that I screwed up on the start of the sequence. It's 1,2,4,7,11,16.

                    The first answer I get from OEIS is A000124, which has the promising subtitle "maximal number of pieces formed when slicing a pancake with n cuts.".

                    So the answer seems to be 56.

                    I refer to the references given at OEIS for the rationale 😀
                    ||

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                      #13

                      Cheater.

                      ||How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once. That forms n new line segments (considering the edges of the pizza as end points as well). Each new line segment corresponds to a new slice of pie.

                      So f(n)=f(n-1)+n
                      And we know f(0) is 1

                      So:
                      f(1) = 2
                      f(2) = 4
                      f(3) = 7
                      f(4) = 11
                      f(5) = 16
                      f(6) = 22
                      f(7) = 29
                      f(8) = 37
                      f(9) = 46
                      f(10) = 56

                      So to get the nth number:

                      1+1+2+3+4+5+6..+n

                      Note that's just 1 plus the sum of the natural numbers to n.

                      So 1 + n(n+1)/2 or

                      (n^2 + n + 2)/2||

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        #14

                        Hey, I didn't google for the task or something; I merely tried out a few cuts and searched for known sequences based on that. For a 5% CPU usage background task I'm happy with my performance 🙂

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                          @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - slicing the pie:

                          How about noticing, based on my hint, that the nth cut can, at most, intersect the other n-1 cuts just once.

                          That makes sense, but how do you know that this is not merely an upper bound but that you can always find a line that intersects n-1 cuts?

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                            #16

                            The short answer I can give you on my phone is “because there are infinite points on a circle”.

                            If you want a longer explanation I can do that later.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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