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Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition."

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  • George KG George K

    Let's just say that by the time electors cast their votes, based on certified votes, and Joe Biden is elected POTUS.

    A week, a month, whatever time later, Sydney Powell's allegation of massive voter fraud are shown to be true. Again, I'm not saying they are, I'm spitballing.

    The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.

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    @George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

    The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.

    There is the peaceful way and there is the violent way.

    The peaceful way is this: the "certified winner" and Congress cooperate to transfer power to the "real winner." I see a path in the 25th Amendment for something like this: (1) The "certified" Vice President resigns, (2) the "certified President" appoints the "real winner" Vice President with Congressional confirmation, (3) the "certified winner" resigns and let the "real winner"/"Vice President" ascend to the Presidency. Might take a little while to happen after the "certified winner" have been inaugurated, but it will work. As in any democracy, the real "losing side" need to concede power for a peaceful transition.

    The violent way is some sort of armed coup.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election

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      @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

      Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election

      Funny thing about this, had the perp been a Democrat, Trump, Tucker, and Hannity would have made him a household name.

      After all this didn’t get resolved until summer of 2019, barely a year ago. Instead they reach back a quarter century or more for their examples.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • MikM Mik

        Public hangings maybe?

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        @Mik said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

        Public hangings maybe?

        A duel?
        Hey, that used to be a thing. Just ask Hamilton.

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          Copper
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          The popular vote is only a suggestion.

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            Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

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            • KincaidK Kincaid

              Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

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              @Kincaid said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

              Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

              Well, now you're just being silly.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                #13

                Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                  But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

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                  @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                  Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                  But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                  That's what I assume.

                  Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Impeachment and conviction.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                      Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                      But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                      That's what I assume.

                      Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

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                      @George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                      @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                      Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                      But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                      That's what I assume.

                      Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

                      I don't think there is aConstitutional remedy...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Impeachment and conviction.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                        Impeachment and conviction.

                        I hadn't considered that. But you're right, I think.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          You would have to impeach potus and vpotus

                          And somehow prevent Ms. Pelosi from becoming president when you do.

                          Maybe impeach Ms. Harris and replace her with Mr. Trump
                          Then impeach Mr. Biden

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                            jon-nyc
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                            If a VP vacancy occurs the president picks the replacement subject to senate approval

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Ya sure, like the president is going to know what is going on.

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                              • AxtremusA Away
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                                Impeachment will not work since the votes are not there.
                                See https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/55900 .

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                                  Copper
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                                  In this case the votes would be cast by people who want to fix a terrible mistake.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    Or by people with bayonets.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Impeachment and conviction.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                                      Impeachment and conviction.

                                      Can you impeach based on the actions of others? I would not think so.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                                        Impeachment and conviction.

                                        Can you impeach based on the actions of others? I would not think so.

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                                        @Mik said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                                        Can you impeach based on the actions of others?

                                        The House can impeach for whatever reason they perceive to be a "High Crime or Misdemeanor."

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Copper
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                                          All it takes is votes

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