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Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition."

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #3

    In the case I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.

    My assumption is that once the electors have met it's a done deal. Except for the hangings Mik refers to.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      In the case I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.

      My assumption is that once the electors have met it's a done deal. Except for the hangings Mik refers to.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

      My assumption is that once the electors have met

      That's what I'd guess as well.

      But, just imagine if the electors had voted based on false data (again, not saying it is, just spitballing' as I say). Would there be any judicial recourse for Trump?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        In the case I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.

        My assumption is that once the electors have met it's a done deal. Except for the hangings Mik refers to.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #5

        @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

        I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.

        Found it: https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html

        Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia's Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason -- like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city -- to do so.

        In many instances, according to Republicans who testified during a four-day civil trial last week, Democratic campaign workers forged absentee ballots. On many of the ballots, they used the names of people who were living in Puerto Rico or serving time in prison, and in one case, the voter had been dead for some time.

        "Substantial evidence was presented establishing massive absentee ballot fraud, deception, intimidation, harassment and forgery," Judge Newcomer wrote in a decision made public today.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #6

          Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • George KG George K

            Let's just say that by the time electors cast their votes, based on certified votes, and Joe Biden is elected POTUS.

            A week, a month, whatever time later, Sydney Powell's allegation of massive voter fraud are shown to be true. Again, I'm not saying they are, I'm spitballing.

            The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.

            AxtremusA Away
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            Axtremus
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            @George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

            The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.

            There is the peaceful way and there is the violent way.

            The peaceful way is this: the "certified winner" and Congress cooperate to transfer power to the "real winner." I see a path in the 25th Amendment for something like this: (1) The "certified" Vice President resigns, (2) the "certified President" appoints the "real winner" Vice President with Congressional confirmation, (3) the "certified winner" resigns and let the "real winner"/"Vice President" ascend to the Presidency. Might take a little while to happen after the "certified winner" have been inaugurated, but it will work. As in any democracy, the real "losing side" need to concede power for a peaceful transition.

            The violent way is some sort of armed coup.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election

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              @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

              Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election

              Funny thing about this, had the perp been a Democrat, Trump, Tucker, and Hannity would have made him a household name.

              After all this didn’t get resolved until summer of 2019, barely a year ago. Instead they reach back a quarter century or more for their examples.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • MikM Mik

                Public hangings maybe?

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                brenda
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                @Mik said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                Public hangings maybe?

                A duel?
                Hey, that used to be a thing. Just ask Hamilton.

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #10

                  The popular vote is only a suggestion.

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                  • KincaidK Offline
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                    Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

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                    • KincaidK Kincaid

                      Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

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                      @Kincaid said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                      Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.

                      Well, now you're just being silly.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        #13

                        Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                        But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                          But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #14

                          @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                          Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                          But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                          That's what I assume.

                          Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #15

                            Impeachment and conviction.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • George KG George K

                              @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                              Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                              But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                              That's what I assume.

                              Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              @George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                              @Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                              Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.

                              But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?

                              That's what I assume.

                              Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?

                              I don't think there is aConstitutional remedy...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Impeachment and conviction.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":

                                Impeachment and conviction.

                                I hadn't considered that. But you're right, I think.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • CopperC Offline
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                                  You would have to impeach potus and vpotus

                                  And somehow prevent Ms. Pelosi from becoming president when you do.

                                  Maybe impeach Ms. Harris and replace her with Mr. Trump
                                  Then impeach Mr. Biden

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #19

                                    If a VP vacancy occurs the president picks the replacement subject to senate approval

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      Ya sure, like the president is going to know what is going on.

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                                      • AxtremusA Away
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                                        Axtremus
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                                        #21

                                        Impeachment will not work since the votes are not there.
                                        See https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/55900 .

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                                          In this case the votes would be cast by people who want to fix a terrible mistake.

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