Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition."
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In the case I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.
My assumption is that once the electors have met it's a done deal. Except for the hangings Mik refers to.
wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 23:44 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
I assume you're referring to (where the NC Republican committed fraud by changing harvested ballots) the election was never certified. The election board voted to hold a new election.
Found it: https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/19/us/vote-fraud-ruling-shifts-pennsylvania-senate.html
Judge Newcomer ruled that the Democratic campaign of William G. Stinson had stolen the election from Bruce S. Marks in North Philadelphia's Second Senatorial District through an elaborate fraud in which hundreds of residents were encouraged to vote by absentee ballot even though they had no legal reason -- like a physical disability or a scheduled trip outside the city -- to do so.
In many instances, according to Republicans who testified during a four-day civil trial last week, Democratic campaign workers forged absentee ballots. On many of the ballots, they used the names of people who were living in Puerto Rico or serving time in prison, and in one case, the voter had been dead for some time.
"Substantial evidence was presented establishing massive absentee ballot fraud, deception, intimidation, harassment and forgery," Judge Newcomer wrote in a decision made public today.
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wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 23:46 last edited by
Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election
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Let's just say that by the time electors cast their votes, based on certified votes, and Joe Biden is elected POTUS.
A week, a month, whatever time later, Sydney Powell's allegation of massive voter fraud are shown to be true. Again, I'm not saying they are, I'm spitballing.
The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.
wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:10 last edited by@George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
The election is proven to have been illegitimate. Does it still stand because the states have certified their results? I read of one case where this happened at a local level, and the court overturned the result, awarding the election to the presumed loser.
There is the peaceful way and there is the violent way.
The peaceful way is this: the "certified winner" and Congress cooperate to transfer power to the "real winner." I see a path in the 25th Amendment for something like this: (1) The "certified" Vice President resigns, (2) the "certified President" appoints the "real winner" Vice President with Congressional confirmation, (3) the "certified winner" resigns and let the "real winner"/"Vice President" ascend to the Presidency. Might take a little while to happen after the "certified winner" have been inaugurated, but it will work. As in any democracy, the real "losing side" need to concede power for a peaceful transition.
The violent way is some sort of armed coup.
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Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election
wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:17 last edited by jon-nyc@jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Oh, I assumed you were talking about the one from 2 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Carolina's_9th_congressional_district_election
Funny thing about this, had the perp been a Democrat, Trump, Tucker, and Hannity would have made him a household name.
After all this didn’t get resolved until summer of 2019, barely a year ago. Instead they reach back a quarter century or more for their examples.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:34 last edited by
@Mik said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Public hangings maybe?
A duel?
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:48 last edited by
The popular vote is only a suggestion.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:56 last edited by
Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.
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Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.
wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 00:57 last edited by@Kincaid said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Maybe after Republicans take back the House in 2022 there will be some appetite for real voting reform. Maybe we can get a constitutional amendment passed that formalizes voting so that every voter votes in person, provides either voter ID or a thumbprint, and we never have to worry about the integrity of our elections again.
Well, now you're just being silly.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:08 last edited by
Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.
But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:10 last edited by
@Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.
But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?
That's what I assume.
Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:12 last edited by
Impeachment and conviction.
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@Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.
But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?
That's what I assume.
Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?
wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:12 last edited by@George-K said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
@Jolly said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Once the electors vote, it's a done deal.
But...Can you imagine the blow-back on Biden?
That's what I assume.
Is there a mechanism for overthrowing the results of an election, even if illegitimate (again, I'm not saying it is. Just...spitballin')?
I don't think there is aConstitutional remedy...
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:12 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Impeachment and conviction.
I hadn't considered that. But you're right, I think.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:40 last edited by
You would have to impeach potus and vpotus
And somehow prevent Ms. Pelosi from becoming president when you do.
Maybe impeach Ms. Harris and replace her with Mr. Trump
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 01:45 last edited by
If a VP vacancy occurs the president picks the replacement subject to senate approval
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 02:13 last edited by
Ya sure, like the president is going to know what is going on.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 02:29 last edited by
Impeachment will not work since the votes are not there.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 02:56 last edited by
In this case the votes would be cast by people who want to fix a terrible mistake.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 13:36 last edited by
Or by people with bayonets.
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wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 21:49 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Just spitballing here - "Kraken edition.":
Impeachment and conviction.
Can you impeach based on the actions of others? I would not think so.