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    Copper
    wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 03:02 last edited by
    #8

    I ran the update overnight

    In the morning it was the Apple screen

    ![alt text](0dbe846c-b662-48bd-8cfd-ec67030e25e3-image.png image url)

    I figured 9 hours was enough, so I powered off and on

    2 hours later, this again

    ![alt text](0dbe846c-b662-48bd-8cfd-ec67030e25e3-image.png image url)

    Uh, oh, powered off again, waited a little longer

    I checked maybe 20 minutes later and it was up and running, no problem

    So far, so good but I haven't done much yet

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      George K
      wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 03:07 last edited by
      #9

      Unlike previous updates, this has seems to be less than "smooth."

      Multiple restarts and a slow installation. Mine took about 4 hours onto a clean (reformatted) drive. Another 3 - 4 hours to transfer data from a backup.

      I did a "clean"install, by the way - onto a wiped drive with no data, importing my stuff from a cloned drive.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • G George K
        14 Nov 2020, 22:30

        Mac OS 11 was released this week. It has lots of interface changes and tweaks. I guess Apple considered it important enough of an update to not call it Mac OS X 10.16.

        I've been booting my Mac from an external SSD via thunderbolt, and overall, I've been pleased with the increase in performance thus far. However, I thought I'd take the plunge and try Big Sur.

        After cloning the external boot drive to another hard drive, and making sure that I had a recent Time Machine backup AND backups in the cloud, I reformatted the external SSD and installed Mac OS 11.

        Having done that, using Migration Assistant, I copied my application folder and my home folders from the cloned drive - about half a terabyte.

        Everything went pretty smoothly, and I am using Mac OS 11 Big Sur now.

        I am impressed with how much faster it seems to be. It's entirely possible that it's because I wiped the boot drive and started from scratch, but overall, apps launch MUCH faster. Safari is remarkable in it's speed. In the two hours I've been using it, no major glitches so far.

        My 2014 iMac feels brand new.

        ETA: Be sure you back up your stuff before this update, as it's a MAJOR one. Back up to the cloud, an external drive, clone your boot drive.

        And then, back up again.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 10:42 last edited by
        #10

        @George-K said in Big Sur:

        My 2014 iMac feels brand new.

        I'm typing this on:

        e4520a84-07d0-44c4-9115-81b4fcdcc6fb-image.png

        Hmm...

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        • K Klaus
          16 Nov 2020, 10:42

          @George-K said in Big Sur:

          My 2014 iMac feels brand new.

          I'm typing this on:

          e4520a84-07d0-44c4-9115-81b4fcdcc6fb-image.png

          Hmm...

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          George K
          wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 12:48 last edited by
          #11

          @Klaus

          Screen Shot 2020-11-16 at 6.48.02 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            16 Nov 2020, 12:48

            @Klaus

            Screen Shot 2020-11-16 at 6.48.02 AM.png

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            Klaus
            wrote on 16 Nov 2020, 12:50 last edited by
            #12

            @George-K Damn, you beat me on RAM and graphics card. This embarrassment wouldn't have happened to Mark.

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              Klaus
              wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:04 last edited by Klaus
              #13

              I'm sick of my old OS X installation which, after five years or so, is just too fvcked up. Too many environment variables fvcked up. Too many conflicting installations of stuff.

              So, today I did a clean install on the MacBook.

              37721629-c69e-47c5-8d21-7bbe1203fac0-image.png

              I've also (reluctantly) ordered a M1 Mac Mini and will soon retire my 2014 iMac.

              I'm used to operating systems getting worse over time, but Big Sur actually has some good stuff, too. The thing I'm most excited about is zsh.

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              • K Klaus
                16 Mar 2021, 18:04

                I'm sick of my old OS X installation which, after five years or so, is just too fvcked up. Too many environment variables fvcked up. Too many conflicting installations of stuff.

                So, today I did a clean install on the MacBook.

                37721629-c69e-47c5-8d21-7bbe1203fac0-image.png

                I've also (reluctantly) ordered a M1 Mac Mini and will soon retire my 2014 iMac.

                I'm used to operating systems getting worse over time, but Big Sur actually has some good stuff, too. The thing I'm most excited about is zsh.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 18:37 last edited by
                #14

                @klaus said in Big Sur:

                The thing I'm most excited about is zsh.

                Geek.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  George K
                  wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:05 last edited by
                  #15

                  What model of Mac mini did you get?

                  Also, why reluctantly?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    16 Mar 2021, 19:05

                    What model of Mac mini did you get?

                    Also, why reluctantly?

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:08 last edited by
                    #16

                    @george-k said in Big Sur:

                    Also, why reluctantly?

                    Horace is rich enough as it is and Klaus resents subsidizing his luxurious lifestyle.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                    AxtremusA 1 Reply Last reply 16 Mar 2021, 23:41
                    • G George K
                      16 Mar 2021, 19:05

                      What model of Mac mini did you get?

                      Also, why reluctantly?

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:38 last edited by
                      #17

                      @george-k said in Big Sur:

                      What model of Mac mini did you get?

                      Also, why reluctantly?

                      There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                      "Reluctantly" because I'd have liked more RAM and maybe a proper graphics card.

                      I hope I won't be disappointed by the 34" display I ordered. It has a lower resolution than the 5K display my iMac has.

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        16 Mar 2021, 18:37

                        @klaus said in Big Sur:

                        The thing I'm most excited about is zsh.

                        Geek.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:40 last edited by Klaus
                        #18

                        @jon-nyc said in Big Sur:

                        @klaus said in Big Sur:

                        The thing I'm most excited about is zsh.

                        Geek.

                        Today I found out about Oh My zsh and its Chuck Norris plugin. It is not clear to me how I could live without it until now.

                        e57c0443-13a0-4ba5-bce0-9f5b33169dc4-image.png

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                        • K Klaus
                          16 Mar 2021, 19:38

                          @george-k said in Big Sur:

                          What model of Mac mini did you get?

                          Also, why reluctantly?

                          There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                          "Reluctantly" because I'd have liked more RAM and maybe a proper graphics card.

                          I hope I won't be disappointed by the 34" display I ordered. It has a lower resolution than the 5K display my iMac has.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:41 last edited by
                          #19

                          @klaus said in Big Sur:

                          I hope I won't be disappointed by the 34" display I ordered. It has a lower resolution than the 5K display my iMac has.

                          Ah, I was going to ask about what display you're using. I'm torn between getting the Mini and waiting for the iMac....

                          Let us know!

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:43 last edited by
                            #20

                            The big thing for me this week was that Adobe released Apple silicon versions of their apps, which replaced the old Intel versions. Shit runs even faster now. Today I had Ae, Illustrator, Rush, and Photoshop open at the same time, no problem. (Remember, I just got the MacBook Air.)

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • G George K
                              16 Mar 2021, 19:41

                              @klaus said in Big Sur:

                              I hope I won't be disappointed by the 34" display I ordered. It has a lower resolution than the 5K display my iMac has.

                              Ah, I was going to ask about what display you're using. I'm torn between getting the Mini and waiting for the iMac....

                              Let us know!

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 19:44 last edited by
                              #21

                              @george-k said in Big Sur:

                              Ah, I was going to ask about what display you're using

                              I've somewhat randomly ordered the LG 35WN75C-B. I want to try something curved.

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                16 Mar 2021, 19:08

                                @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                Also, why reluctantly?

                                Horace is rich enough as it is and Klaus resents subsidizing his luxurious lifestyle.

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 23:41 last edited by
                                #22

                                @jon-nyc said in Big Sur:

                                @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                Also, why reluctantly?

                                Horace is rich enough as it is and Klaus resents subsidizing his luxurious lifestyle.

                                @Klaus will soon be further crushed by the realization that Haskell does not work on the Apple M1 silicon yet.

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus
                                  16 Mar 2021, 23:41

                                  @jon-nyc said in Big Sur:

                                  @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                  Also, why reluctantly?

                                  Horace is rich enough as it is and Klaus resents subsidizing his luxurious lifestyle.

                                  @Klaus will soon be further crushed by the realization that Haskell does not work on the Apple M1 silicon yet.

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                                  Klaus
                                  wrote on 16 Mar 2021, 23:45 last edited by
                                  #23

                                  @axtremus said in Big Sur:

                                  @Klaus will soon be further crushed by the realization that Haskell does not work on the Apple M1 silicon yet.

                                  alt text

                                  Luckily I'm recently more fascinated by Agda, and I can compile its sources myself. That said, Agda is written in Haskell ... 😞

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                                  • K Klaus
                                    16 Mar 2021, 19:38

                                    @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                    What model of Mac mini did you get?

                                    Also, why reluctantly?

                                    There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                    "Reluctantly" because I'd have liked more RAM and maybe a proper graphics card.

                                    I hope I won't be disappointed by the 34" display I ordered. It has a lower resolution than the 5K display my iMac has.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 12:42 last edited by
                                    #24

                                    @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                    There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                    Did you pick it up yet? If so, how is it?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                    K 1 Reply Last reply 23 Mar 2021, 13:27
                                    • G George K
                                      23 Mar 2021, 12:42

                                      @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                      There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                      Did you pick it up yet? If so, how is it?

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 13:27 last edited by
                                      #25

                                      @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                      @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                      There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                      Did you pick it up yet? If so, how is it?

                                      Next week, probably.

                                      Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it...

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                                      • K Klaus
                                        23 Mar 2021, 13:27

                                        @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                        @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                        There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                        Did you pick it up yet? If so, how is it?

                                        Next week, probably.

                                        Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it...

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 23 Mar 2021, 13:33 last edited by
                                        #26

                                        @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                        I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money

                                        That was one of the big perks of our group practice. We had a "slush fund" that could be used for any "professional or educational" expense. So, that included meetings, and things we needed to do our jobs. I took advantage of that every year by getting a new desktop for myself every other year, and a new laptop the alternate years.

                                        When I became an "independent contractor" for my group in 2015, I lost that benefit, of course.

                                        Which is why my current computer is 2014 vintage.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • K Klaus
                                          23 Mar 2021, 13:27

                                          @george-k said in Big Sur:

                                          @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                          There seems to be just one model. I ordered it with 16GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD.

                                          Did you pick it up yet? If so, how is it?

                                          Next week, probably.

                                          Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it...

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 9 Apr 2021, 21:49 last edited by
                                          #27

                                          @klaus said in Big Sur:

                                          Next week, probably.
                                          Of course I'm not so insane to pay for such superfluous toys with my own money, hence I have to go through some bureaucracy to get it.

                                          Annnnnd?

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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