Can we at least end one narrative?
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@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
There is no "logic" that says one is not a racist against a particular race if one has the political support of some incremental x% of said race.
Honestly? I don't see anything amiss about Ax's point here.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
Please love yourself.
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@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
Preach on, brother.
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Ax's ridiculous trolling aside, there are so many true believers amongst white women and feminine men who derive a lot of their life's meaning from their feeling of superiority over the forces of racist evil they've been convinced exist all around them. These are uniformly silly and inconsequential people, but they do form the society amongst which we all must live. And their ideas, what they've been taught, are not going anywhere.
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What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.I'm left puzzled by who is the biggest troll, you, or NS?
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@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.I'm left puzzled by who is the biggest troll, you, or NS?
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.I'm left puzzled by who is the biggest troll, you, or NS?
I'm rather enjoying Ax's narcissistic turn with his unrequested weekly mastubration sessions on the piano. It's a subtle troll, from a subtle troll.
Education is extremely important.
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@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.I'm left puzzled by who is the biggest troll, you, or NS?
I'm rather enjoying Ax's narcissistic turn with his unrequested weekly mastubration sessions on the piano. It's a subtle troll, from a subtle troll.
@Horace said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
What do you mean "unprecedented support"?
There is nothing "unprecedented" about it.
Biden has more support.
Clinton had more support.
Obama had more support.I'm left puzzled by who is the biggest troll, you, or NS?
I'm rather enjoying Ax's narcissistic turn with his unrequested weekly mastubration sessions on the piano. It's a subtle troll, from a subtle troll.
I want to know where he got the idea he could play the piano to start with.
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@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
Well said!
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@89th said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Trump had unprecedented support in the black and Latino communities. Can we stop this “racist” crap?
That involves logic. The media doesn’t like that narrative ending.
All joking aside, I think you couldn't possibly be more wrong about that. The left's media content strategy is not the brainchild of daffy airheads. They don't call Trump a racist because they're silly people who can't read statistics. They want and benefit from the zealotry. It's how media companies compete with Twitter for your attention and it's how SJWs get the random white folks and companies who make the news to bend to their will. What they're doing is rational and deliberate.
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. It's going to be a situation where internet douchebags and random people like Nick Sandmann are offered up as a new cancellation sacrifice every week or so.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. ...
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same? The perspective over here is that Trump is a very polarizing person, not doing any effort at all to bring the two sides in your country together. And he leans pretty heavily towards the conservative side, which makes his difference with the left media's viewpoints pretty big. This also means that in this case they can score pretty successfully any time they publish something anti-trump, because there's a big enough group of people that think they are right to do so. If after the election Biden is president, and still they will attack people with a conservative but more moderate viewpoint (or perhaps Trump-like people who are not so much in the spotlights purely for the sake of being able to continue; thereby I must also admit I do not know who this Nick Sandman is), with the same intensity as they did with Trump, surely they will not have as much success with that? Given some time, I do think the overall tone in the media would become more moderate if eventually it's Biden who gets elected.
To me it mainly seems like action-reaction to me. Trump is very far to the right and speaks out strongly against many (if not most) things posted by the left media. It seems only logical that they respond to that (irregardless of who is right). With this, I do not want to say anything about how it all got started, or who caused it. Don't have a good view on that.With that in mind, I would love to see what the left media would do with a moderate Republican president in more quiet times (e.g. without global pandemics in the case of Trump, or without terrorist attacks and wars as was the case with Bush Jr.). Equally curious now how Fox News and other right-leaning media will treat Biden, though.
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@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
I share my wisdom for your benefit. Be grateful.
You don't have any wisdom to share. You're one of the stupidest dumb fucks breathing air.
@Larry said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
I share my wisdom for your benefit. Be grateful.
You don't have any wisdom to share. You're one of the stupidest dumb fucks breathing air.
Larry, all these years since Apple called you, and apparently you haven't changed one spot.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. ...
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same? The perspective over here is that Trump is a very polarizing person, not doing any effort at all to bring the two sides in your country together. And he leans pretty heavily towards the conservative side, which makes his difference with the left media's viewpoints pretty big. This also means that in this case they can score pretty successfully any time they publish something anti-trump, because there's a big enough group of people that think they are right to do so. If after the election Biden is president, and still they will attack people with a conservative but more moderate viewpoint (or perhaps Trump-like people who are not so much in the spotlights purely for the sake of being able to continue; thereby I must also admit I do not know who this Nick Sandman is), with the same intensity as they did with Trump, surely they will not have as much success with that? Given some time, I do think the overall tone in the media would become more moderate if eventually it's Biden who gets elected.
To me it mainly seems like action-reaction to me. Trump is very far to the right and speaks out strongly against many (if not most) things posted by the left media. It seems only logical that they respond to that (irregardless of who is right). With this, I do not want to say anything about how it all got started, or who caused it. Don't have a good view on that.With that in mind, I would love to see what the left media would do with a moderate Republican president in more quiet times (e.g. without global pandemics in the case of Trump, or without terrorist attacks and wars as was the case with Bush Jr.). Equally curious now how Fox News and other right-leaning media will treat Biden, though.
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. ...
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same? The perspective over here is that Trump is a very polarizing person, not doing any effort at all to bring the two sides in your country together. And he leans pretty heavily towards the conservative side, which makes his difference with the left media's viewpoints pretty big. This also means that in this case they can score pretty successfully any time they publish something anti-trump, because there's a big enough group of people that think they are right to do so. If after the election Biden is president, and still they will attack people with a conservative but more moderate viewpoint (or perhaps Trump-like people who are not so much in the spotlights purely for the sake of being able to continue; thereby I must also admit I do not know who this Nick Sandman is), with the same intensity as they did with Trump, surely they will not have as much success with that? Given some time, I do think the overall tone in the media would become more moderate if eventually it's Biden who gets elected.
To me it mainly seems like action-reaction to me. Trump is very far to the right and speaks out strongly against many (if not most) things posted by the left media. It seems only logical that they respond to that (irregardless of who is right). With this, I do not want to say anything about how it all got started, or who caused it. Don't have a good view on that.With that in mind, I would love to see what the left media would do with a moderate Republican president in more quiet times (e.g. without global pandemics in the case of Trump, or without terrorist attacks and wars as was the case with Bush Jr.). Equally curious now how Fox News and other right-leaning media will treat Biden, though.
A few points...Trump is not an ultra-conservative. Never has been. Especially not a fiscal conservative.
Bush 43? I remember the media being much tougher on him before 9/11, than on Obama. Trump just accelerated an already existing trend.
Nick Sandman? You really need to do some background reading. I think it will bring some clarity to the current state of the media.
Lastly, do you realize almost half the country voted for Trump? And I mean voted for. Probably about 75% of the votes he received were from people who liked his policies and political views. Those people still exist today.
Re-education and coercion by the MSM will continue. Ueber allen!
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. ...
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same? The perspective over here is that Trump is a very polarizing person, not doing any effort at all to bring the two sides in your country together. And he leans pretty heavily towards the conservative side, which makes his difference with the left media's viewpoints pretty big. This also means that in this case they can score pretty successfully any time they publish something anti-trump, because there's a big enough group of people that think they are right to do so. If after the election Biden is president, and still they will attack people with a conservative but more moderate viewpoint (or perhaps Trump-like people who are not so much in the spotlights purely for the sake of being able to continue; thereby I must also admit I do not know who this Nick Sandman is), with the same intensity as they did with Trump, surely they will not have as much success with that? Given some time, I do think the overall tone in the media would become more moderate if eventually it's Biden who gets elected.
To me it mainly seems like action-reaction to me. Trump is very far to the right and speaks out strongly against many (if not most) things posted by the left media. It seems only logical that they respond to that (irregardless of who is right). With this, I do not want to say anything about how it all got started, or who caused it. Don't have a good view on that.With that in mind, I would love to see what the left media would do with a moderate Republican president in more quiet times (e.g. without global pandemics in the case of Trump, or without terrorist attacks and wars as was the case with Bush Jr.). Equally curious now how Fox News and other right-leaning media will treat Biden, though.
A few points...Trump is not an ultra-conservative. Never has been. Especially not a fiscal conservative.
Bush 43? I remember the media being much tougher on him before 9/11, than on Obama. Trump just accelerated an already existing trend.
Nick Sandman? You really need to do some background reading. I think it will bring some clarity to the current state of the media.
Lastly, do you realize almost half the country voted for Trump? And I mean voted for. Probably about 75% of the votes he received were from people who liked his policies and political views. Those people still exist today.
Re-education and coercion by the MSM will continue. Ueber allen!
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Lastly, do you realize almost half the country voted for Trump? And I mean voted for. Probably about 75% of the votes he received were from people who liked his policies and political views. Those people still exist today.
87% of quoted statistics are made up on the spot. I rather think that was one of them.
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@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Lastly, do you realize almost half the country voted for Trump? And I mean voted for. Probably about 75% of the votes he received were from people who liked his policies and political views. Those people still exist today.
87% of quoted statistics are made up on the spot. I rather think that was one of them.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Lastly, do you realize almost half the country voted for Trump? And I mean voted for. Probably about 75% of the votes he received were from people who liked his policies and political views. Those people still exist today.
87% of quoted statistics are made up on the spot. I rather think that was one of them.
Actually, it wasn't. Now, I'm doing this from memory, so I may be a couple of percentage points off, but the polling data I saw was in the mid-seventies.
You thought they were voting for his personality?
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@Larry said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
I share my wisdom for your benefit. Be grateful.
You don't have any wisdom to share. You're one of the stupidest dumb fucks breathing air.
Larry, all these years since Apple called you, and apparently you haven't changed one spot.
We all need time, but you more than most.@AndyD said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Larry said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Axtremus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
I share my wisdom for your benefit. Be grateful.
You don't have any wisdom to share. You're one of the stupidest dumb fucks breathing air.
Larry, all these years since Apple called you, and apparently you haven't changed one spot.
We all need time, but you more than most.Fuck you and the horse you rode in on .
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
That's why this shit is almost certainly not going to stop with Trump out of office. ...
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same? The perspective over here is that Trump is a very polarizing person, not doing any effort at all to bring the two sides in your country together. And he leans pretty heavily towards the conservative side, which makes his difference with the left media's viewpoints pretty big. This also means that in this case they can score pretty successfully any time they publish something anti-trump, because there's a big enough group of people that think they are right to do so. If after the election Biden is president, and still they will attack people with a conservative but more moderate viewpoint (or perhaps Trump-like people who are not so much in the spotlights purely for the sake of being able to continue; thereby I must also admit I do not know who this Nick Sandman is), with the same intensity as they did with Trump, surely they will not have as much success with that? Given some time, I do think the overall tone in the media would become more moderate if eventually it's Biden who gets elected.
To me it mainly seems like action-reaction to me. Trump is very far to the right and speaks out strongly against many (if not most) things posted by the left media. It seems only logical that they respond to that (irregardless of who is right). With this, I do not want to say anything about how it all got started, or who caused it. Don't have a good view on that.With that in mind, I would love to see what the left media would do with a moderate Republican president in more quiet times (e.g. without global pandemics in the case of Trump, or without terrorist attacks and wars as was the case with Bush Jr.). Equally curious now how Fox News and other right-leaning media will treat Biden, though.
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same?
The problem is that it's not as political as you're making it out to be. Not for the people who are actually driving this.
You're right about the media's motivations for pumping out anti-Trump material. A couple of publications I work for now are lamenting the fact that anything they've published about Trump in the past four years, anything at all, performed orders of magnitude better than their traditional content. So they had to keep doing it. These publications are not political. One of them is about table-top gaming of all things.
But the media's not the biggest problem. America is now full of people who have completely defined themselves by the righteous struggle against hate, bigotry, xenophobia and racism. They're on the right side of things and they're going to be damned if they're going to let Trump and his evil followers continue to do their evil things. They've completely defined themselves by this perspective.
There was this female boxer who was the world champion in her division. She tried to kill herself immediately after she lost her first title fight. "But that's absurd," you might say, "she's still one of the best female boxers in the world, and definitely still one of the most successful of all time." The problem is that she defined herself as being the champion. When she lost that particular fight, she lost all sense of who she was.
That's the kind of shit we're dealing with here. If fighting evil is who you are, then you're always going to need a villain. If Trump's not around they'll just make one up. They already have, many times.
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@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same?
The problem is that it's not as political as you're making it out to be. Not for the people who are actually driving this.
You're right about the media's motivations for pumping out anti-Trump material. A couple of publications I work for now are lamenting the fact that anything they've published about Trump in the past four years, anything at all, performed orders of magnitude better than their traditional content. So they had to keep doing it. These publications are not political. One of them is about table-top gaming of all things.
But the media's not the biggest problem. America is now full of people who have completely defined themselves by the righteous struggle against hate, bigotry, xenophobia and racism. They're on the right side of things and they're going to be damned if they're going to let Trump and his evil followers continue to do their evil things. They've completely defined themselves by this perspective.
There was this female boxer who was the world champion in her division. She tried to kill herself immediately after she lost her first title fight. "But that's absurd," you might say, "she's still one of the best female boxers in the world, and definitely still one of the most successful of all time." The problem is that she defined herself as being the champion. When she lost that particular fight, she lost all sense of who she was.
That's the kind of shit we're dealing with here. If fighting evil is who you are, then you're always going to need a villain. If Trump's not around they'll just make one up. They already have, many times.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same?
The problem is that it's not as political as you're making it out to be. Not for the people who are actually driving this.
You're right about the media's motivations for pumping out anti-Trump material. A couple of publications I work for now are lamenting the fact that anything they've published about Trump in the past four years, anything at all, performed orders of magnitude better than their traditional content. So they had to keep doing it. These publications are not political. One of them is about table-top gaming of all things.
But the media's not the biggest problem. America is now full of people who have completely defined themselves by the righteous struggle against hate, bigotry, xenophobia and racism. They're on the right side of things and they're going to be damned if they're going to let Trump and his evil followers continue to do their evil things. They've completely defined themselves by this perspective.
There was this female boxer who was the world champion in her division. She tried to kill herself immediately after she lost her first title fight. "But that's absurd," you might say, "she's still one of the best female boxers in the world, and definitely still one of the most successful of all time." The problem is that she defined herself as being the champion. When she lost that particular fight, she lost all sense of who she was.
That's the kind of shit we're dealing with here. If fighting evil is who you are, then you're always going to need a villain. If Trump's not around they'll just make one up. They already have, many times.
But.. is it really? How many people are truly dyed in the wool social justice warriors of the type you seem to refer to. Media amplifies extreme views thus we all get a very distorted picture of what the world is really like, is it not likely that the number of people who are truly out of reach of any kind of cogent discourse is smaller than you think it is?
Having said that, the fact that you in particular considered (and perhaps voted) for someone so obviously awful has made me sit up and take notice.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Nunatax said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Ending it will not, most probably. But do you think the magnitude of it will be the same?
The problem is that it's not as political as you're making it out to be. Not for the people who are actually driving this.
You're right about the media's motivations for pumping out anti-Trump material. A couple of publications I work for now are lamenting the fact that anything they've published about Trump in the past four years, anything at all, performed orders of magnitude better than their traditional content. So they had to keep doing it. These publications are not political. One of them is about table-top gaming of all things.
But the media's not the biggest problem. America is now full of people who have completely defined themselves by the righteous struggle against hate, bigotry, xenophobia and racism. They're on the right side of things and they're going to be damned if they're going to let Trump and his evil followers continue to do their evil things. They've completely defined themselves by this perspective.
There was this female boxer who was the world champion in her division. She tried to kill herself immediately after she lost her first title fight. "But that's absurd," you might say, "she's still one of the best female boxers in the world, and definitely still one of the most successful of all time." The problem is that she defined herself as being the champion. When she lost that particular fight, she lost all sense of who she was.
That's the kind of shit we're dealing with here. If fighting evil is who you are, then you're always going to need a villain. If Trump's not around they'll just make one up. They already have, many times.
But.. is it really? How many people are truly dyed in the wool social justice warriors of the type you seem to refer to. Media amplifies extreme views thus we all get a very distorted picture of what the world is really like, is it not likely that the number of people who are truly out of reach of any kind of cogent discourse is smaller than you think it is?
Having said that, the fact that you in particular considered (and perhaps voted) for someone so obviously awful has made me sit up and take notice.
@Moonbat said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
But.. is it really? How many people are truly dyed in the wool social justice warrior of the type you seem to refer to. Media amplifies extreme views thus we all get a very distorted picture of what the world is really like, is not likely that the number of people who are truly out of reach of any kind of cogent discourse is smaller than you think it is?
Yes, there's definitely truth there. I don't recognize the country a lot of Americans describe when they talk about Britain, and people here have complained that the media representations of the south are grossly inaccurate. How much of the insanity we see is outlier?
