Can we at least end one narrative?
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Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:06 last edited by Klaus 11 Oct 2020, 19:06@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:17 last edited by
The only one I've ever been clear about is wokeism. Trumpism seems to me to be just an individual.
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@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:18 last edited by@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:19 last edited by
I think the founding fathers gave a lot of thought to this, and they were legit smart folk. So whatever you fear from an individual, the constitution prevents it. Or so I think.
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@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:22 last edited by@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.
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We will have to agree to disagree. For you you, abortion is your “red line”. What you don’t understand is that it is not a “red line” issue for 100% of the people.
I would guess that there are people on this forum who
Support President Trump
AND
support abortion.wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:54 last edited by Jolly 11 Oct 2020, 19:56@taiwan_girl said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
We will have to agree to disagree. For you you, abortion is your “red line”. What you don’t understand is that it is not a “red line” issue for 100% of the people.
I would guess that there are people on this forum who
Support President Trump
AND
support abortion.Oh, I think there are a few red line issues that really delineate things. One is abortion. Another is gun rights. The third is affirmative action or its mirror image, wokism.
In the case of abortion, most in the GOP think a human being has a right to life. Now, it may be in its mother's womb or that life may be in a nursing home bed, but that entity has a right to keep on living. There are some in the party that would allow for early term abortions, citing that the baby cannot survive in vitro. i think that is changing. Medical science keeps driving the week of viability downward. There is now a perfectly healthy toddler in Texas that was born at 21 weeks. That child weighed less than 300g at birth. I've seen babies that weighed in excess of 700 grams, back in the 1980's, that would be covered with a cloth and allowed to die in the cirner, gasping for air. There was nothing we could do. There is, now. 1:4 babies can now survive at 23 weeks.
Another issue is firearms. Many on my side of the red line firmly believe a person has the right to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, as the Constitution says. It is the Amendment which guarantees the protection of the rest of the Constitution from a tyrannical government.
Lastly, I think another issue is equality. All people are born equal and endowed by their creator with unalienable rights. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We should never promote one race or creed over another, no matter what past grievance is trying to be addressed. Whenever we try to build one group above another, we create division and strife. The GOP believes in opportunity and the natural inclination for people to want to do better.
While there are few red line issues, I think you'll find most Republicans believe in the right to life, the right to protect your life and your loved ones from harm, and the right to improve one's life based on merit and hard work.
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@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:55 last edited by@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.
That's never stopped you before.
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@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.
That's never stopped you before.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:02 last edited by@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
Describe "Trumpism", please.
I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.
That's never stopped you before.
Cheers!
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@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:29 last edited by@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:53 last edited by
The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.
How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.
Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.
Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.
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The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.
How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.
Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.
Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:56 last edited by@Rainman said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.
How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.
Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.
Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.
Joe didn't stop those?
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@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:09 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:19 last edited by@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.
That doesn't matter.
What happens if Trump becomes the Resistance and is elected again in 2024? That excuses demonization and the cancel culture?
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@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:20 last edited by@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.
But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.
A perfect example of talking around the issue. No one has ever been driven out of a teaching position for not supporting “Trumpism” , whatever that means. Many have been for various violations of wholeness.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:43 last edited by Klaus 11 Oct 2020, 21:45
Obviously you guys see this differently, but in my book moving the US democracy to the verge of an authoritarian autocracy while destroying the world order and, last but not least, attacking truth and reason itself on a daily basis is in my humble opinion not necessarily better than firing teachers or professors and suppressing freedom of speech in general. Both are really bad.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:48 last edited by
Authoritarian autocracy?
Bwhahahahahaha! 55555555!
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Obviously you guys see this differently, but in my book moving the US democracy to the verge of an authoritarian autocracy while destroying the world order and, last but not least, attacking truth and reason itself on a daily basis is in my humble opinion not necessarily better than firing teachers or professors and suppressing freedom of speech in general. Both are really bad.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:52 last edited by Catseye3 11 Oct 2020, 21:54@Klaus Agree somewhat. I'd say "verge of authoritarian autocracy" somewhat overstates the case, although had he been re-elected that might have become much more of a threat. And pulling us out of the various world organizations and agreements was insane.
Prepare yourself for the xenophobic uproar.
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@Klaus Agree somewhat. I'd say "verge of authoritarian autocracy" somewhat overstates the case, although had he been re-elected that might have become much more of a threat. And pulling us out of the various world organizations and agreements was insane.
Prepare yourself for the xenophobic uproar.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:55 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus Agree somewhat. I'd say "verge of authoritarian autocracy" somewhat overstates the case, although had he been re-elected that might have become much more of a threat.
Prepare yourself for the xenophobic uproar.
Name one court decision that Trump has lost, and then ignored all court orders.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.
wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 22:10 last edited by Aqua Letifer 11 Oct 2020, 22:12@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
@Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"Wokeism" is quite bad.
"Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.
Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.
That would help alleviate the problems on their end, that's true. But because those problems contribute very little to today's societal troubles, and because the latter is almost exclusively the fault of SJWs, I don't care, and I don't see how you can make a case for prioritizing today's conservative shortcomings. It's delusional.
Fix the liberal hate-mongering, and jackass megalomaniacs who pretend to care about conservatives have far less of a chance wielding political power. "This is how you get more Trump" is exactly the concern.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 22:18 last edited by
@Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:
"This is how you get more Trump" is exactly the concern.
There....Right freaking there.
And @Klaus ? The feature that allowed me to highlight and copy that line from Aqua's post and hit reply and have it pop in the response automatically is brilliant.
