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Can we at least end one narrative?

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    Larry
    wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 17:15 last edited by
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    You can agree to disagree all you want. It won't wash the blood of those millions of murdered babies off your hands.

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    • K Klaus
      10 Nov 2020, 16:42

      What is the elephant?

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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 17:26 last edited by
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      @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

      What is the elephant?

      They use an elephant to stamp on the babies.

      Which is pretty ironic. They really ought to use a big donkey.

      I was only joking

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      • K Klaus
        10 Nov 2020, 16:42

        What is the elephant?

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        Mik
        wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 17:37 last edited by
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        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

        What is the elephant?

        The refusal to address the fact that the left is ever increasing its efforts to destroy the lives and careers of citizens who simply do not agree with them.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • M Mik
          10 Nov 2020, 17:37

          @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

          What is the elephant?

          The refusal to address the fact that the left is ever increasing its efforts to destroy the lives and careers of citizens who simply do not agree with them.

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          Klaus
          wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 17:46 last edited by
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          @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

          @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

          What is the elephant?

          The refusal to address the fact that the left is ever increasing its efforts to destroy the lives and careers of citizens who simply do not agree with them.

          Well, that's barely an elephant in this room, i.e. at TNCR. We have discussed over and over again how the "woke" left is attempting to destroy some of the foundations of civilization. This is in fact almost unanimously agreed upon here.

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            Mik
            wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 17:48 last edited by
            #122

            Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • M Mik
              10 Nov 2020, 17:48

              Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 18:51 last edited by
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              @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

              Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

              I think part of the problem is how outrageous it's become. "That stuff can't possibly be commonplace, can it? I mean c'mon, what you're describing is crazy. People just don't act like that."

              Yeah, well, they are now. With regularity.

              Please love yourself.

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              • M Mik
                10 Nov 2020, 17:48

                Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

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                Klaus
                wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:06 last edited by Klaus 11 Oct 2020, 19:06
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                @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:17 last edited by
                  #125

                  The only one I've ever been clear about is wokeism. Trumpism seems to me to be just an individual.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • K Klaus
                    10 Nov 2020, 19:06

                    @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                    Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                    But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                    "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                    "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:18 last edited by
                    #126

                    @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                    @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                    Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                    But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                    "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                    "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                    Describe "Trumpism", please.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:19 last edited by
                      #127

                      I think the founding fathers gave a lot of thought to this, and they were legit smart folk. So whatever you fear from an individual, the constitution prevents it. Or so I think.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • J Jolly
                        10 Nov 2020, 19:18

                        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                        @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                        Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                        But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                        "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                        "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                        Describe "Trumpism", please.

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                        Klaus
                        wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:22 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                        @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                        Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                        But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                        "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                        "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                        Describe "Trumpism", please.

                        I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.

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                        • T taiwan_girl
                          10 Nov 2020, 17:08

                          @Larry

                          We will have to agree to disagree. For you you, abortion is your “red line”. What you don’t understand is that it is not a “red line” issue for 100% of the people.

                          I would guess that there are people on this forum who

                          Support President Trump
                          AND
                          support abortion.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:54 last edited by Jolly 11 Oct 2020, 19:56
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                          @taiwan_girl said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                          @Larry

                          We will have to agree to disagree. For you you, abortion is your “red line”. What you don’t understand is that it is not a “red line” issue for 100% of the people.

                          I would guess that there are people on this forum who

                          Support President Trump
                          AND
                          support abortion.

                          Oh, I think there are a few red line issues that really delineate things. One is abortion. Another is gun rights. The third is affirmative action or its mirror image, wokism.

                          In the case of abortion, most in the GOP think a human being has a right to life. Now, it may be in its mother's womb or that life may be in a nursing home bed, but that entity has a right to keep on living. There are some in the party that would allow for early term abortions, citing that the baby cannot survive in vitro. i think that is changing. Medical science keeps driving the week of viability downward. There is now a perfectly healthy toddler in Texas that was born at 21 weeks. That child weighed less than 300g at birth. I've seen babies that weighed in excess of 700 grams, back in the 1980's, that would be covered with a cloth and allowed to die in the cirner, gasping for air. There was nothing we could do. There is, now. 1:4 babies can now survive at 23 weeks.

                          Another issue is firearms. Many on my side of the red line firmly believe a person has the right to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property. The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, as the Constitution says. It is the Amendment which guarantees the protection of the rest of the Constitution from a tyrannical government.

                          Lastly, I think another issue is equality. All people are born equal and endowed by their creator with unalienable rights. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We should never promote one race or creed over another, no matter what past grievance is trying to be addressed. Whenever we try to build one group above another, we create division and strife. The GOP believes in opportunity and the natural inclination for people to want to do better.

                          While there are few red line issues, I think you'll find most Republicans believe in the right to life, the right to protect your life and your loved ones from harm, and the right to improve one's life based on merit and hard work.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • K Klaus
                            10 Nov 2020, 19:22

                            @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                            But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                            "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                            "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                            Describe "Trumpism", please.

                            I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 19:55 last edited by
                            #130

                            @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                            Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                            But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                            "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                            "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                            Describe "Trumpism", please.

                            I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.

                            That's never stopped you before.😄

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • J Jolly
                              10 Nov 2020, 19:55

                              @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                              But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                              "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                              "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                              Describe "Trumpism", please.

                              I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.

                              That's never stopped you before.😄

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                              Klaus
                              wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:02 last edited by
                              #131

                              @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Jolly said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                              Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                              But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                              "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                              "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                              Describe "Trumpism", please.

                              I wouldn't mind writing a few paragraphs about this, but I assume we wouldn't really come to a common understanding because you wouldn't agree with my analysis of the situation.

                              That's never stopped you before.😄

                              Cheers! 🍻

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                              • K Klaus
                                10 Nov 2020, 19:06

                                @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                                But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                                "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                                "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:29 last edited by
                                #132

                                @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                "Wokeism" is quite bad.
                                "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:53 last edited by
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                                  The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.

                                  How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.

                                  Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.

                                  Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.

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                                  • RainmanR Rainman
                                    10 Nov 2020, 20:53

                                    The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.

                                    How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.

                                    Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.

                                    Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 20:56 last edited by
                                    #134

                                    @Rainman said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                    The Left also needs to talk to and compromise with the Right.

                                    How many guest lecturers have been forbidden via protests and censorship to speak on college campuses? How many times have we heard that the Left will not speak to any on the Right, they literally will not talk. Bret and Eric Weinstein, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, all examples of liberals and self-described progressives who have found that the only ones that will allow discourse are people on the Right, so they now have the scarlet letter of being "rightists" if only enough that they have been demonetized and censored by Big Tech.

                                    Voices are not heard, they are stifled. Until that changes, it is a new form of civil war. Not sure if it's just the beginning, or if it's growing towards full-swing.

                                    Keep in mind I'm in Portland. That, somehow, explains a lot of my perspective as the riots are still going on every night, even if you don't hear about them.

                                    Joe didn't stop those?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      10 Nov 2020, 20:29

                                      @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                      "Wokeism" is quite bad.
                                      "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                      Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:09 last edited by
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                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                      @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                      "Wokeism" is quite bad.
                                      "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                      Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.

                                      Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.

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                                      • K Klaus
                                        10 Nov 2020, 21:09

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                        "Wokeism" is quite bad.
                                        "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                        Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.

                                        Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:19 last edited by
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                                        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                        @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                        "Wokeism" is quite bad.
                                        "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                        Want to eliminate both? The left has to stop demonizing the right. That's all that has to happen.

                                        Maybe, but I think there's also a lot the conservatives could do, such as picking a real leader for 2024.

                                        That doesn't matter.

                                        What happens if Trump becomes the Resistance and is elected again in 2024? That excuses demonization and the cancel culture?

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • K Klaus
                                          10 Nov 2020, 19:06

                                          @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                          Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                                          But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                                          "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                                          "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 10 Nov 2020, 21:20 last edited by
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                                          @Klaus said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                          @Mik said in Can we at least end one narrative?:

                                          Yet still people try to claim some sort of equivalence between the two side on this. There is no equivalence. They may share some characteristics, but not this horrid example.

                                          But, to quote Trump, the cure cannot be worse than the disease.

                                          "Wokeism" is quite bad.

                                          "Trumpism" is quite bad, albeit for entirely different reasons.

                                          A perfect example of talking around the issue. No one has ever been driven out of a teaching position for not supporting “Trumpism” , whatever that means. Many have been for various violations of wholeness.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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