UK deaths up by 10%
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The difference in shape between the EU and US is interesting - more restrictive lockdowns clearly work short-term, but the jury's out on whether they have any long term benefit.
One of my friends in Wales says it feels as though it's out of control over there. He's type 1 diabetic, so is a bit worried that he's more at risk
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The British government is basically saying that things are going to get very ugly, which is in contrast to some of the recent reassuring presidential prognostications They're every bit as incompetent, quite possibly more so, but seem less prone to tell everybody not to worry about it, or for that matter to try and pin the blame for the numbers on money-grabbing doctors.
A recent podcast by a British comedian said that Boris looks like a man who's just realised he's put bubble-bath in the dishwasher.
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The British government is basically saying that things are going to get very ugly, which is in contrast to some of the recent reassuring presidential prognostications They're every bit as incompetent, quite possibly more so, but seem less prone to tell everybody not to worry about it, or for that matter to try and pin the blame for the numbers on money-grabbing doctors.
A recent podcast by a British comedian said that Boris looks like a man who's just realised he's put bubble-bath in the dishwasher.
@Doctor-Phibes said in UK deaths up by 10%:
They're every bit as incompetent, quite possibly more so
A facebook friend of mine spent the summer ranting about incompetent leadership from Washington. He cited Florida as an example of how things were mishandled. When I pointed out that California was just as bad, he had no comment.
I don't feel like asking him if he thinks the leadership in the EU and UK is incompetent.
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The messaging from Trump has been pretty poor, in my opinion. He doesn't seem capable of staying on message, or providing either honesty or consistency when he does come out with things.
Whether there has been any verifiable link between this and the Covid results is open to debate, of course. I'm actually rather skeptical that Trump's communications had any real effect on things.
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It would be nice to see some intelligent analysis of the reason for the differences that wasn't just SHUT UP TRUMP IS BAD/GOOD!
I assume there are treatment differences between countries, there are certainly cultural differences. Europeans are said to take longer and more vacations during the summer. How would that alter the curve? Does diet and exercise make a difference? Age makes a difference, how does the elderly life-style differ?
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It would seem reasonable to assume that population density must make a difference. The way it cut through New York and Northern Italy was absolutely horrifying. I really hope we don't get a repeat of that.
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A dangerous question to ask but I wonder how many Covid deaths were people already confined to a bed and or had dementia and were situationally unaware.
Not that it matters in humanity terms but it would interesting to know if that type of data is available.
For example if 10,000 people died who would have died 8 months later that is very different than 10,000 18 year olds dying in the Vietnam War at age 18. Life years lost would be 1/60th of the number of excess deaths.
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A dangerous question to ask but I wonder how many Covid deaths were people already confined to a bed and or had dementia and were situationally unaware.
Not that it matters in humanity terms but it would interesting to know if that type of data is available.
For example if 10,000 people died who would have died 8 months later that is very different than 10,000 18 year olds dying in the Vietnam War at age 18. Life years lost would be 1/60th of the number of excess deaths.
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A dangerous question to ask but I wonder how many Covid deaths were people already confined to a bed and or had dementia and were situationally unaware.
Not that it matters in humanity terms but it would interesting to know if that type of data is available.
For example if 10,000 people died who would have died 8 months later that is very different than 10,000 18 year olds dying in the Vietnam War at age 18. Life years lost would be 1/60th of the number of excess deaths.
@Loki said in UK deaths up by 10%:
A dangerous question to ask but I wonder how many Covid deaths were people already confined to a bed and or had dementia and were situationally unaware.
Not that it matters in humanity terms but it would interesting to know if that type of data is available.
For example if 10,000 people died who would have died 8 months later that is very different than 10,000 18 year olds dying in the Vietnam War at age 18. Life years lost would be 1/60th of the number of excess deaths.
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Y'all don't worry. I have it on good authority, that as soon as Biden wins the presidency, COVID is yesterday's news.
@Jolly said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Y'all don't worry. I have it on good authority, that as soon as Biden wins the presidency, COVID is yesterday's news.
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House. You all made this political.. Only you. Only Trump and his top priority of reelection at the expense of our country. Wake up. He's a turd ball of the highest order. Amazing still, how you all can overlook his lying and cheating ways just because he does everything he can to keep the stock market going up. And he doesn't do it for you poor chaps, he only does it for himself and his rich donors.
I can't wait to retire and move to a beach in Mexico. Fuck the massive amount of idiots that live in this country. Stupid dumb ignorant fucks.
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@Jolly said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Y'all don't worry. I have it on good authority, that as soon as Biden wins the presidency, COVID is yesterday's news.
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House. You all made this political.. Only you. Only Trump and his top priority of reelection at the expense of our country. Wake up. He's a turd ball of the highest order. Amazing still, how you all can overlook his lying and cheating ways just because he does everything he can to keep the stock market going up. And he doesn't do it for you poor chaps, he only does it for himself and his rich donors.
I can't wait to retire and move to a beach in Mexico. Fuck the massive amount of idiots that live in this country. Stupid dumb ignorant fucks.
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
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@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
which reminds me,,,, hmmmm, i realize there is a dearth of liberal minded folks here, (Lord knows the beatings they take here, for which I applaud people like Jon, D'oh and Ax) but I believe each one of them has put their face in front of their beliefs here. The same cant be said for the other side now can it? Copper? Larry? Jolly? At least people like George, Mik, and others, have the human decency to show us they are real people and not just avatars.
And excuse me for stating the obvious dysfunctions that exist in this barroom of a forum. A bar that used to have 100 plus regular posters in its hay day. Now regulated to a paltry 20 or so on a good day. You let faceless assholes sit here and run good people out of here because they don't toe the line.
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable. I think most of you are smart, witty, intelligent folks. I wish you would talk more about piano sometimes, instead of this incessant politics which just makes us, at least me, see red. -
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences.
Sometimes that's kind of how it sounds to me, but Jolly lives in an area that's a lot more rural than most. Means he's gonna say some shit that others wouldn't because he's coming from a different perspective. Ultimately he doesn't strike me as homicidal.
I think that's part of America's problem, actually. An electrician from Maysville, WV has absolutely nothing in common with a pharma lobbyist in McLean, VA. Nothing. And they're within just two hours of one another. Hell you could be talking about two middle-aged white males and you still have a cultural chasm between them. But they might be seen as the same in the eyes of a black guy from Detroit. We don't understand shit about each other but online we think we know everything.
I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here.
Eh, I dunno. We've all been talking with one another for a decade—for some folks it's decades, plural. All the folks I've met in person here have been pretty unsurprising in terms of what I thought they might be like. I guess what I'm saying is I know enough about Jolly to say I know who he is. If he doesn't wanna share ducklips selfies with us I think that's probably for the best.
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@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
which reminds me,,,, hmmmm, i realize there is a dearth of liberal minded folks here, (Lord knows the beatings they take here, for which I applaud people like Jon, D'oh and Ax) but I believe each one of them has put their face in front of their beliefs here. The same cant be said for the other side now can it? Copper? Larry? Jolly? At least people like George, Mik, and others, have the human decency to show us they are real people and not just avatars.
And excuse me for stating the obvious dysfunctions that exist in this barroom of a forum. A bar that used to have 100 plus regular posters in its hay day. Now regulated to a paltry 20 or so on a good day. You let faceless assholes sit here and run good people out of here because they don't toe the line.
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable. I think most of you are smart, witty, intelligent folks. I wish you would talk more about piano sometimes, instead of this incessant politics which just makes us, at least me, see red.@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable.
I don't hate you, man, I just think you would benefit from cooling out some. I'm still pretty liberal. As I said before I'm for universal health care, gay marriage, public schools, and I don't like the idea of telling a woman she can't get an abortion. I was beyond pissed after the 2016 election. But the world didn't end and after awhile it became pretty obvious that the anti-Trump crowd, despite having a ton of very legitimate gripes, became hysterical. That shit's not good for anybody.
I still have many liberal views but right now, what's far more important to me is for people I completely disagree with politically, people who really piss me off, to be allowed to think what they want and live their lives. That's absolutely got to come first.
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@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
which reminds me,,,, hmmmm, i realize there is a dearth of liberal minded folks here, (Lord knows the beatings they take here, for which I applaud people like Jon, D'oh and Ax) but I believe each one of them has put their face in front of their beliefs here. The same cant be said for the other side now can it? Copper? Larry? Jolly? At least people like George, Mik, and others, have the human decency to show us they are real people and not just avatars.
And excuse me for stating the obvious dysfunctions that exist in this barroom of a forum. A bar that used to have 100 plus regular posters in its hay day. Now regulated to a paltry 20 or so on a good day. You let faceless assholes sit here and run good people out of here because they don't toe the line.
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable. I think most of you are smart, witty, intelligent folks. I wish you would talk more about piano sometimes, instead of this incessant politics which just makes us, at least me, see red.@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
which reminds me,,,, hmmmm, i realize there is a dearth of liberal minded folks here, (Lord knows the beatings they take here, for which I applaud people like Jon, D'oh and Ax) but I believe each one of them has put their face in front of their beliefs here. The same cant be said for the other side now can it? Copper? Larry? Jolly? At least people like George, Mik, and others, have the human decency to show us they are real people and not just avatars.
And excuse me for stating the obvious dysfunctions that exist in this barroom of a forum. A bar that used to have 100 plus regular posters in its hay day. Now regulated to a paltry 20 or so on a good day. You let faceless assholes sit here and run good people out of here because they don't toe the line.
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable. I think most of you are smart, witty, intelligent folks. I wish you would talk more about piano sometimes, instead of this incessant politics which just makes us, at least me, see red.Nah, I don't hate you. I pity you. You're simply a washed out, wreck of a man, with more than one mental problem that will not allow you to have a decent long-term relationship with anybody. You'll most likely die broke and alone, rotting away in some nursing home, with the bill picked up by Medicaid. That is, unless you screw your courage up enough to take a dive in the medicine cabinet, and end it sooner.
If I was you, I'd take a good hard look at myself and go find Jesus. You're not going to pull yourself out of your hole without him...
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@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@Aqua-Letifer said in UK deaths up by 10%:
@nobodyssock said in UK deaths up by 10%:
Yeah, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all. The media has made this virus bigger than it really is all in the attempts to dethrone Trump. Man, the chips on your shoulders are so fvcking big, one has to be careful where they walk lest they knock them over.
Attention pseudo patriot gun toters, the virus isn't going away no matter who sits in the White House.
Jolly's dealt with COVID patients in a medical capacity. Also he's been quite vocal about how dangerous the virus can be.
Just sayin' man. Have your disagreements, but when you treat conservatives like avatars, it leads to tone-deaf assumptions about their positions and it makes your arguments sound stupid.
Aqua, Jolly is nothing more than an avatar. I know what you look like. You know what I look like. I don't take stock in much of anything faceless people who consider themselves family and community say here. Sure, he's sage in much of what he preaches, but he's also dangerous with his desire to see guns ablazing because of our country's differences. He's no man I wish to call friend. Show your face cajun, then we can talk.
which reminds me,,,, hmmmm, i realize there is a dearth of liberal minded folks here, (Lord knows the beatings they take here, for which I applaud people like Jon, D'oh and Ax) but I believe each one of them has put their face in front of their beliefs here. The same cant be said for the other side now can it? Copper? Larry? Jolly? At least people like George, Mik, and others, have the human decency to show us they are real people and not just avatars.
And excuse me for stating the obvious dysfunctions that exist in this barroom of a forum. A bar that used to have 100 plus regular posters in its hay day. Now regulated to a paltry 20 or so on a good day. You let faceless assholes sit here and run good people out of here because they don't toe the line.
Yeah, you all hate me. That's ok. At least i'm real and stand up for myself even if it makes you uncomfortable. I think most of you are smart, witty, intelligent folks. I wish you would talk more about piano sometimes, instead of this incessant politics which just makes us, at least me, see red.Nah, I don't hate you. I pity you. You're simply a washed out, wreck of a man, with more than one mental problem that will not allow you to have a decent long-term relationship with anybody. You'll most likely die broke and alone, rotting away in some nursing home, with the bill picked up by Medicaid. That is, unless you screw your courage up enough to take a dive in the medicine cabinet, and end it sooner.
If I was you, I'd take a good hard look at myself and go find Jesus. You're not going to pull yourself out of your hole without him...
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