Discharge tomorrow?
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wrote on 4 Oct 2020, 23:23 last edited by George K 10 Apr 2020, 23:23
Just some random thoughts on what was quoted on CNN.
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He apologized for giving the appearance trying to hide something, while acknowledging that there were serious concerns.
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A "transient" drop is SpO2 could be due to a million different things (level of exertion, position, etc). "Transient" doesn't mean trend. If he consistently dropped to below 94%, I'd be worried, but a dip, in and of itself might mean nothing.
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2L/min of oxygen (presumably via nasal cannula - you know, the prongs that go in your nostrils) is about equivalent to 28% oxygen, inspired. For comparison's sake, room air's FiO2 is about 21%. This is NOT a lot of oxygen, and is consistent with what is given routinely post.
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Giving 2L/min via cannula is, at best, a transient thing. Yeah, your SpO2 will rise while it's on, but if the underlying problem isn't treated, it'll fall within minutes of its removal. That goes to my comment #2.
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Saturday's 93% is concerning as well, but we don't know for how long it was, whether it was a trend, etc.
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"Current SpO2 is 98%." I'm skeptical that a 74 year old obese male has those levels at rest without oxygen supplementation. The doc's comment doesn't say.
Like I said, just random thoughts.
Remember, oxygen isn't therapeutic, it's supportive. And, its effects are transient - as in "minutes transient."
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wrote on 4 Oct 2020, 23:45 last edited by
You can raise your SpO2 three or four points by breathing deeply a few times. 93-94% is not a crisis by any means.
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wrote on 4 Oct 2020, 23:56 last edited by Copper 10 May 2020, 00:28
We know he thinks the whitehouse is a dump
Maybe the hospital has gold plumbing fixtures
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 00:08 last edited by
Just checked. I've got a bit of allergy-related stuffy nose and my sat is 95% sitting on my butt.
Time for me to check in the hospital?
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 00:43 last edited by
What, doesn’t everyone have a concentrator in their basement capable of pumping out 10 liters?
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 00:52 last edited by
I have a concentrator capable of pumping out 10 liters.
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@Aqua-s-Sister said in Discharge tomorrow?:
"Discharge tomorrow?"
Tomorrow? TOMORROW? LOL.
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters. Must be disorienting to all those people who were receiving curated news feeds all day about how sick he was or glued to the same narrative on CNN and MSNBC. There is a fight for which reality is the real one. One side has a contender in the ring and the other is waiting for him to fall.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 00:59 last edited by jon-nyc 10 May 2020, 01:04@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.
Walter Reed attending physician.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:00 last edited by
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:01 last edited by
Yeah, but it's great theater...Some pics...
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:06 last edited by Jolly 10 May 2020, 01:08
And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?
Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.
I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:07 last edited by
But what about the mask?
They had masks, didn't they?
There should be no problem.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:24 last edited by
It's nice to see America taking things so seriously.
Incidentally, there's only one 's' in gravitas.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:28 last edited by
Theatrical histrionics over secret service personnel being asked to take an extraordinary on the job risk.
Some of you need a pat on the head.
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And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?
Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.
I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:30 last edited by@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?
Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.
I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.
Completely unnecessary risk.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:33 last edited by
Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?
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@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?
Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.
I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.
Completely unnecessary risk.
Totally irresponsible and inconsiderate towards their own staff.wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:34 last edited by@Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:
And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?
Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.
I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.
Completely unnecessary risk.
Totally irresponsible and inconsiderate towards their own staff.Almost nobody else is living their life to eliminate risk, either. Life goes on, despite the special pleading TDS masses.
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Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 01:51 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?
From everything I've heard, Trump treats his pretty well with the exception of some pretty ungodly hours.
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@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.
Walter Reed attending physician.
wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:06 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:
@Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:
Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.
Walter Reed attending physician.
Attending physician:
"In the United States and Canada, an attending physician is a physician who has completed residency and practices medicine in a clinic or hospital, in the specialty learned during residency. An attending physician typically supervises fellows, residents, medical students, and other practitioners. Attending physicians may also maintain professorships at an affiliated medical school. This is common if the supervision of trainees is a significant part of the physician's work. Attending physicians have final responsibility, legally and otherwise, for patient care, even when many of the minute-to-minute decisions are being made by house officers or Advanced Practice Providers. Attending physicians are sometimes the 'rendering physician' listed on the patient's official medical record, but if they are overseeing a resident or another staff member, they are 'supervising."
The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:13 last edited by
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wrote on 5 Oct 2020, 02:20 last edited by
We're still talking acceptable losses.
There is NO way to make things 100% safe. Not, and have an econony...