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Discharge tomorrow?

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #32

    Just some random thoughts on what was quoted on CNN.

    1. He apologized for giving the appearance trying to hide something, while acknowledging that there were serious concerns.

    2. A "transient" drop is SpO2 could be due to a million different things (level of exertion, position, etc). "Transient" doesn't mean trend. If he consistently dropped to below 94%, I'd be worried, but a dip, in and of itself might mean nothing.

    3. 2L/min of oxygen (presumably via nasal cannula - you know, the prongs that go in your nostrils) is about equivalent to 28% oxygen, inspired. For comparison's sake, room air's FiO2 is about 21%. This is NOT a lot of oxygen, and is consistent with what is given routinely post.

    4. Giving 2L/min via cannula is, at best, a transient thing. Yeah, your SpO2 will rise while it's on, but if the underlying problem isn't treated, it'll fall within minutes of its removal. That goes to my comment #2.

    5. Saturday's 93% is concerning as well, but we don't know for how long it was, whether it was a trend, etc.

    6. "Current SpO2 is 98%." I'm skeptical that a 74 year old obese male has those levels at rest without oxygen supplementation. The doc's comment doesn't say.

    Like I said, just random thoughts.

    Remember, oxygen isn't therapeutic, it's supportive. And, its effects are transient - as in "minutes transient."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      You can raise your SpO2 three or four points by breathing deeply a few times. 93-94% is not a crisis by any means.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
        wrote on last edited by Copper
        #34

        We know he thinks the whitehouse is a dump

        Maybe the hospital has gold plumbing fixtures

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #35

          Just checked. I've got a bit of allergy-related stuffy nose and my sat is 95% sitting on my butt.

          Time for me to check in the hospital?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #36

            What, doesn’t everyone have a concentrator in their basement capable of pumping out 10 liters?

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #37

              I have a concentrator capable of pumping out 10 liters.

              Education is extremely important.

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                @Aqua-s-Sister said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                "Discharge tomorrow?"

                Tomorrow? TOMORROW? LOL.

                Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters. Must be disorienting to all those people who were receiving curated news feeds all day about how sick he was or glued to the same narrative on CNN and MSNBC. There is a fight for which reality is the real one. One side has a contender in the ring and the other is waiting for him to fall.

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                jon-nyc
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                #38

                @Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.

                Walter Reed attending physician.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #39

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #40

                    Yeah, but it's great theater...Some pics...

                    https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-releases-new-video-from-hospitals-thanks-supporters-enthusiasm_3525717.html?utm_source=news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #41

                      And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?

                      Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.

                      I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.😁

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • CopperC Offline
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                        Copper
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #42

                        But what about the mask?

                        They had masks, didn't they?

                        There should be no problem.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #43

                          It's nice to see America taking things so seriously.

                          Incidentally, there's only one 's' in gravitas.

                          I was only joking

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #44

                            Theatrical histrionics over secret service personnel being asked to take an extraordinary on the job risk.

                            Some of you need a pat on the head.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?

                              Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.

                              I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.😁

                              AxtremusA Offline
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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                              And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?

                              Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.

                              I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.😁

                              Completely unnecessary risk.
                              Totally irresponsible and inconsiderate towards their own staff.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #46

                                Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                  And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?

                                  Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.

                                  I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.😁

                                  Completely unnecessary risk.
                                  Totally irresponsible and inconsiderate towards their own staff.

                                  HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #47

                                  @Axtremus said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                  @Jolly said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                  And just another note or two...Isn't there a barrier between front and back?

                                  Also noticed that the guys in the vehicle had on N95 masks , full gowns and faceshields. If that means they are going to die, I've done that deal at least a half-dozen times with COVID patients. According to this doc, that could be the case.

                                  I'm going to make a SWAG, and say the Secret Service guys are in better shape than I am.😁

                                  Completely unnecessary risk.
                                  Totally irresponsible and inconsiderate towards their own staff.

                                  Almost nobody else is living their life to eliminate risk, either. Life goes on, despite the special pleading TDS masses.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #48

                                    @jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                    Remember the exploding heads when it came out that Hillary yelled at secret service agents?

                                    From everything I've heard, Trump treats his pretty well with the exception of some pretty ungodly hours.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                      Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.

                                      Walter Reed attending physician.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #49

                                      @jon-nyc said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                      @Loki said in Discharge tomorrow?:

                                      Trump did a standing vigorous video followed up by a motorcade drive by for his supporters.

                                      Walter Reed attending physician.

                                      Attending physician:

                                      "In the United States and Canada, an attending physician is a physician who has completed residency and practices medicine in a clinic or hospital, in the specialty learned during residency. An attending physician typically supervises fellows, residents, medical students, and other practitioners. Attending physicians may also maintain professorships at an affiliated medical school. This is common if the supervision of trainees is a significant part of the physician's work. Attending physicians have final responsibility, legally and otherwise, for patient care, even when many of the minute-to-minute decisions are being made by house officers or Advanced Practice Providers. Attending physicians are sometimes the 'rendering physician' listed on the patient's official medical record, but if they are overseeing a resident or another staff member, they are 'supervising."

                                      The good doctor did his residency in Emergency Medicine. He is neither an infectious disease expert or the President's physician.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          We're still talking acceptable losses.

                                          There is NO way to make things 100% safe. Not, and have an econony...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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