1st President Debate

Horace

The idea that we could re-racialize our society only for non-whites was always as ridiculous as it was obscene.

It has proven anything but ridiculous for the purposes of motivating/manipulating the masses, including, or maybe especially, the white masses. Obscene, yes, of course.

jon-nyc

Funny as you were posting I changed 'ridiculous' to 'unrealistic'. Which is closer to the point I was trying to make.

Horace

There's no future in it, but enough of one to satisfy a lifetime of power mongering for generations of progressives.

Axtremus

Republicans to Trump: Condemn white supremacy now
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/chris-christie-defends-trump-debate-423610

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Senate Republicans spent much of Wednesday pressing President Donald Trump to denounce white supremacy, with few in the GOP willing to explicitly defend his refusal to do so during Tuesday’s presidential debate.
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In a series of interviews and public statements Wednesday, Senate Republicans pushed Trump to clarify his comments, with party leaders and the rank-and-file eager to put distance between themselves and the president’s stance.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that he shared the same views as Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), the only black GOP senator, who urged the president to correct his comments.
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GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally, also aligned himself with his South Carolina colleague, tweeting that he agrees with "President Trump needing to make it clear Proud Boys is a racist organization antithetical to American ideals.”
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Horace

Speaking of manipulating the masses.

Jolly

Politics.

Jolly

@Axtremus said in 1st President Debate:

Republicans to Trump: Condemn white supremacy now
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/chris-christie-defends-trump-debate-423610

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Senate Republicans spent much of Wednesday pressing President Donald Trump to denounce white supremacy, with few in the GOP willing to explicitly defend his refusal to do so during Tuesday’s presidential debate.
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In a series of interviews and public statements Wednesday, Senate Republicans pushed Trump to clarify his comments, with party leaders and the rank-and-file eager to put distance between themselves and the president’s stance.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that he shared the same views as Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), the only black GOP senator, who urged the president to correct his comments.
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GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally, also aligned himself with his South Carolina colleague, tweeting that he agrees with "President Trump needing to make it clear Proud Boys is a racist organization antithetical to American ideals.”
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Just on a whim...Explain to me how a group which contains Asians and blacks is a white supremacist group? And while you're at it, would you tell me how many cities they have tried to burn down?

I think they are Far Right, but I'm not convinced they are white supremacist.

Now, having said that, I'd like for you to defend the Senile Man's statement about antifa being an idea, not an organization. I'm kinda confused on how an idea can make Molotov cocktails and try to burn down a city?

89th

@jon-nyc said in 1st President Debate:

And GHWB looked at his watch!!!

Funny you say that. I was talking to my friend yesterday and said, this debate now has all 10 of the "top 10 debate moments of all time" whereas previously that list was made up of incredibly shockingly rude events like Bush 41 looking at his watch.

89th

@Axtremus said in 1st President Debate:

Republicans to Trump: Condemn white supremacy now
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/chris-christie-defends-trump-debate-423610

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Senate Republicans spent much of Wednesday pressing President Donald Trump to denounce white supremacy, with few in the GOP willing to explicitly defend his refusal to do so during Tuesday’s presidential debate.
...
In a series of interviews and public statements Wednesday, Senate Republicans pushed Trump to clarify his comments, with party leaders and the rank-and-file eager to put distance between themselves and the president’s stance.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said that he shared the same views as Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), the only black GOP senator, who urged the president to correct his comments.
...
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close Trump ally, also aligned himself with his South Carolina colleague, tweeting that he agrees with "President Trump needing to make it clear Proud Boys is a racist organization antithetical to American ideals.”
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This is so annoying. I have plenty to criticize Trump for, but he did not "refuse to denounce white supremacy" despite these media headlines.

If you watched the debate, when he is asked would he do so, he said "Sure" and "No problem" (kinda sounds like the opposite of "I refuse to") and then went on to saying far left and Antifa is the real issue. Let's be honest, Antifa is about 500x more "dangerous" than other groups out there.

That being said, I thought it was low hanging fruit for the president to just clearly denounce white supremacy and I think he will clearly do it next debate just so the media and its followers aren't duped into headlines with false narratives.

Axtremus

@89th said in 1st President Debate:

If you watched the debate, when he is asked would he do so, he said "Sure" and "No problem" (kinda sounds like the opposite of "I refuse to") and then went on to saying far left and Antifa is the real issue.

Try this:

Mom: Donny, you apologize to your brother now!
Donny: Sure. No Problem. The real issue is Billy hasn't done his homework yet!

Does that sound like Donny has apologized?

And I see that the point on Trump being "unAmerican, will not commit to respecting the will of the voters" remain uncontested.

Copper

Larry

Ax, you're Chinese, I'm half Indian and half white. If you said the kind of shit to my face that you say here, after a few minutes of suffering through your stupid shit I would first tell you to shut up. When you didn't shut up - and we both know you wouldn't shut up because little irritating pricks like you never do - I would bitch slap you so hard you'd piss on yourself. Would that mean I'm a white supremacist, or would it mean you're such an irritating ass hat that I got fed up with your shit and decided to shut you up?

jon-nyc

89th

@Axtremus said in 1st President Debate:

@89th said in 1st President Debate:

If you watched the debate, when he is asked would he do so, he said "Sure" and "No problem" (kinda sounds like the opposite of "I refuse to") and then went on to saying far left and Antifa is the real issue.

Try this:

Mom: Donny, you apologize to your brother now!
Donny: Sure. No Problem. The real issue is Billy hasn't done his homework yet!

Does that sound like Donny has apologized?

Would you summarize this by saying "Donny refused to apologize to his brother"? I wouldn't.

Larry

@Axtremus said in 1st President Debate:

@89th said in 1st President Debate:

If you watched the debate, when he is asked would he do so, he said "Sure" and "No problem" (kinda sounds like the opposite of "I refuse to") and then went on to saying far left and Antifa is the real issue.

And I see that the point on Trump being "unAmerican, will not commit to respecting the will of the voters" remain uncontested.

No one contested it because your statement is so stupid that we would lose brain cells just from bothering with it. You have to be at least 7 kinds of an idiot to even make that statement, much less expect anyone to legitimize your stupidity.