NYT publishes Trump tax returns
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wrote on 27 Sept 2020, 23:03 last edited by
NO one is going to care They just keep trying to do this stuff and coming up empty handed.
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wrote on 27 Sept 2020, 23:10 last edited by
I haven't bothered to dig into the weeds of what the Times says. But, the bottom line is this: Did he do anything illegal (one story claims that he took advantage of an Obama-era law change)? If he did, prosecute away.
(Is Lois Lerner still working, by the way?)
If he and his attorneys followed the rules, STFU.
If we don't know, audit away (which is what he's said is going on).
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wrote on 27 Sept 2020, 23:22 last edited by
At this point it won’t change any minds but it would have really hurt four years ago. He is so used to taking so many shots now he will have an answer.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 00:04 last edited by
Whether he paid $0 or paid $10,000,000...as long as he paid what he owed, then whatever!
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 00:47 last edited by
|=justified paragraph=|They only angle they are pursuing is he shows losses. Big whoop.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 01:08 last edited by
When we discuss this before, I said that I think the only reason that he does not want to release his tax forms is for two reasons:
- He does not make as much money as he says he does
- He does not donate much (if any) to charity.
I think that is still true, but as everybody above me said, it really won't change anybody mind.
Those who support him will say - "So what"
Those who dont support him will say - "See"And it won't matter either way.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 01:10 last edited by
It didn't matter to begin with.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 01:12 last edited by
@Jolly As you would say, it is perception. LOL
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 01:14 last edited by
This tells us what we always knew about him, he’s better at playing successful mogul than actually being one.
These aren’t going to be legally interesting on their own in any novel way, the IRS has been auditing them for years.
The legally interesting bit is how all these massive loss claims interact with the various loan documents submitted at the same time. That’s where the fraud potential lies.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 02:03 last edited by jon-nyc
Personally guaranteed debt of $400MM due 2022, plus a disputed 72MM with the IRS.
I wonder who he owes that 400 million to?
That could bankrupt him personally.
Seems like a potential national security issue.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 02:03 last edited by
Then why doesn't the vaunted Grey Lady do a story on something we don't know, like what Hunter did to earn millions from the Russians, Chinese and the Ukranians?
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 02:08 last edited by
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Then why doesn't the vaunted Grey Lady do a story on something we don't know, like what Hunter did to earn millions from the Russians, Chinese and the Ukranians?
wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 02:11 last edited by xenon@Jolly said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:
Then why doesn't the vaunted Grey Lady do a story on something we don't know, like what Hunter did to earn millions from the Russians, Chinese and the Ukranians?
Didn’t the senate investigate this? Did they turn up something or not?
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 02:45 last edited by
I think the $400MM personally guaranteed debt to god-knows-whom is one of the big deals that will fall out of this. Though of course the media will focus on the trivial total income tax paid.
There’s a reason you can’t get a security clearance when you’re heavily in debt.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 03:13 last edited by
So in 2016, Trump paid Stormy Daniels 173 times more money than he paid in federal income tax.
Wonder if he deducted his payment to Stormy from his taxes.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 04:15 last edited by
I wonder if his reported income was low enough for him to get the $1200 Covid check?
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This tells us what we always knew about him, he’s better at playing successful mogul than actually being one.
These aren’t going to be legally interesting on their own in any novel way, the IRS has been auditing them for years.
The legally interesting bit is how all these massive loss claims interact with the various loan documents submitted at the same time. That’s where the fraud potential lies.
wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 11:11 last edited by@jon-nyc said in NYT publishes Trump tax returns:
This tells us what we always knew about him, he’s better at playing successful mogul than actually being one.
Which is of course why he didn't want to release them. It's never been about legality. It's about his bullshit.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 11:18 last edited by
Well the idea that he was hiding specific tax fraud in his returns never made sense because the Feds obviously had them.
But hiding them from bankers that might have received very different information is certainly in play here. Seems more likely than not given that he was able to get any loans at all.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 11:19 last edited by jon-nyc
I still think the big news is the national security implications of nearly a half billion in personal debt.
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wrote on 28 Sept 2020, 11:22 last edited by
Also all kinds of ironies in the fact that The Apprentice kept him afloat for many years.