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The cost of NOT using AI

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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    I really hate to be the old fart in this discussion, but we're already in a situation where people avoid speaking to other people and will write an email instead, and it's a real problem. I try to explain to people that in-person discussions are more effective and generally more enjoyable, and they literally look at me like this (I've got a particular individual in mind here, but that's another matter)...
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    Couple this with the fact that everybody wants to work from home in a little silo, and where do we end up?

    I honestly don't see that having a machine write your email for you because you can't write intelligibly is going to improve things. Sure, sure, they tell us that it's just cleaning things up and the person will check everything carefully, but it's bullshit. Most people are inherently lazy and won't even bother checking.

    Having AI write your code is one thing. Having it replace your entire existence is something else.

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    @Doctor-Phibes said:

    I try to explain to people that in-person discussions are more effective and generally more enjoyable, ...
    Couple this with the fact that everybody wants to work from home in a little silo, ...

    Trying to pinpoint why everybody wants to work from home instead of going to the office.

    Compared to the "old days," say, when you had your first job after graduating from university, or when your father was still working a (presumably) white collar job ... was commuting as bad as it is now, was office politics as bad as it is now? Or has the home has become so much more enjoyable?

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      People who love or even need the in-person interactions of being in the office, tend to assume everybody else is just like them, if maybe ignorant of what is really best for themselves. These are probably the same people who are really excited to be invited to a wedding of people they barely know. Takes all kinds.

      Education is extremely important.

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        OK, coder.

        I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

        I was only joking

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          Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            OK, coder.

            I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

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            @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

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              @taiwan_girl said:

              @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

              I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                OK, coder.

                I generally think of myself as quite antisocial and introverted, but you chaps are making me rethink that.

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                @Doctor-Phibes said:

                OK, coder.

                Not anymore. Now I'm a viber.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @taiwan_girl said:

                  @Doctor-Phibes I am with you on the in person interaction. I know in the various "remote work" forum threads we have had, there are some posters who are passionate about working from home and others (like me, Docter Phibes, and I think Jolly) who were on the side of in person.

                  I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

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                  @Doctor-Phibes said:

                  I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

                  I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote, even if it was not the best choice when all things are looked from a work perspective.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @Doctor-Phibes said:

                    I'm in favour of people being given a choice wherever possible. Clearly there are benefits to remote-working, but there are also plenty of benefits to social interactions.

                    I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote, even if it was not the best choice when all things are looked from a work perspective.

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                    @taiwan_girl said:

                    I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                    And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • 89th8 89th

                      Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

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                      @89th said:

                      Not sure how to articulate this but a concern I have with AI is what I would call the piles of "AI dust". How much content (in all formats) will be created by AI and then referenced later by AI and also discarded by AI? There will be so much synthetic garbage out there after a number of years....

                      Good point. A large part of it will just be flat wrong.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        It's a known issue and the AI companies are working on solutions for it. Unclear how good those solutions will be.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @taiwan_girl said:

                          I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                          And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

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                          @Horace said:

                          @taiwan_girl said:

                          I think most people, if given the choice, would chose remote,

                          And those who enjoy/need the office social interactions convince themselves that those people just don't know what's best for themselves. Meanwhile, probably 90% of people, if given the choice to take or leave the whole in person office scene, would leave it. But the 10% are sure they're all simply ignorant of what is good in life.

                          I think most people would prefer a bit of both. The main complaint I hear about office working is all the time wasted in commuting, rather than being in the actual office being awful.

                          I was only joking

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