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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    In recent weeks, as criticism of President Donald Trump from his own supporters has reached a fever pitch, a new conspiracy theory has taken hold: Some of the president’s biggest supporters are now claiming, without evidence, that Trump staged the assassination attempt on his life in Butler, Pennsylvania, in 2024 and is covering it up.

    "I think that maybe it was staged," Tim Dillon said on his show last weekend about the assassination attempt. Dillon, who was previously a staunch Trump supporter, went on to share that Trump should now come out and say, “Some people are going to be upset by this, but we staged the assassination attempt in Butler to show people how important it was to vote for me and how far I was willing to go for them.”

    Some of these claims began months ago. In November, former Fox News pundit Tucker Carlson promoted the idea that the FBI was somehow involved in covering up the shooting, writing on X that the “FBI lied” about the shooter's online footprint.

    https://www.wired.com/story/maga-is-increasingly-convinced-the-trump-assassination-attempt-was-staged/

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    • MikM Offline
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      It’s Tucker. That does not qualify as a good conspiracy.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • Andrea BA Offline
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        Tucker has declined into the Jerry Springer wormhole of "commentary."

        IOW: "I don't care what I say, as long as it give me clicks, and therefore money, I'm good."

        Candace Owens is the same.

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

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            Yeah, the internet has really helped build the conspiracy industry. I was always a new junkie - but now everyone is. On social media this past year I've seen a lot more fake stories - whether showing police behaving badly or some redemption story.

            To his credit, Tucker has hit some real issues on occasion - but he has also undermined his credibility with some of the goofy rabbit holes he's gone down - e.g. his fear mongering that we only had a 30 day supply of diesel fuel. Admittedly, no news or commentary person will always be right - but there have been times where a 5 minute Google search would save the world from a fair amount of angst.

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            • 89th8 89th

              As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

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              @89th said:

              As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

              Why are you confident about that?

              Education is extremely important.

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                I'm generally comfortable taking the mainstream view of most "controversial" topics where conspiracy theorizing abounds. One exception that comes to mind is COVID lab leak, which, according to the mainstream, is a conspiracy theory (see its wiki article), but which I'm confident has real evidence to support it. Not to the level of proof, but certainly reaches the level of doubt of zoonotic origin.

                Also it's obvious nonsense that the earth is round.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  I'm generally comfortable taking the mainstream view of most "controversial" topics where conspiracy theorizing abounds. One exception that comes to mind is COVID lab leak, which, according to the mainstream, is a conspiracy theory (see its wiki article), but which I'm confident has real evidence to support it. Not to the level of proof, but certainly reaches the level of doubt of zoonotic origin.

                  Also it's obvious nonsense that the earth is round.

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                  @Horace said:

                  Also it's obvious nonsense that the earth is round.

                  555

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                    Am confident that Crooks attempted to assassinate Trump and acted entirely alone and under the radar until he pulled the trigger. At the same time however it’s not a recent event I am all that interested in pursuing further.

                    The only thing that has struck me about the incident is how quiet the mainstream is about Crooks, his family and their life now. I recall how Marina Oswald figured prominently in the press for years following JFK’s assassination. Even Squeaky Fromm and Hinckley had more press following their attempts. Crooks and his family however have just seemed to fade away into obscurity. Perhaps that’s how it should be, I don’t know.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      @Horace said:

                      Also it's obvious nonsense that the earth is round.

                      555

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                      @taiwan_girl said:

                      @Horace said:

                      Also it's obvious nonsense that the earth is round.

                      555

                      He's right. It's an oblate spheroid.

                      I was only joking

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        Am confident that Crooks attempted to assassinate Trump and acted entirely alone and under the radar until he pulled the trigger. At the same time however it’s not a recent event I am all that interested in pursuing further.

                        The only thing that has struck me about the incident is how quiet the mainstream is about Crooks, his family and their life now. I recall how Marina Oswald figured prominently in the press for years following JFK’s assassination. Even Squeaky Fromm and Hinckley had more press following their attempts. Crooks and his family however have just seemed to fade away into obscurity. Perhaps that’s how it should be, I don’t know.

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                        @Renauda

                        I wonder how much of that is just because he was shot dead? No trial, no statements to the press, no scenes of his mother pleading for mercy, etc.

                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Renauda

                          I wonder how much of that is just because he was shot dead? No trial, no statements to the press, no scenes of his mother pleading for mercy, etc.

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                          @jon-nyc

                          Quite possible. Family and friends gave nothing to sensationalize.

                          For all we know the mother and father could have left the country or on the witness protection program to keep them safe from conspiracy and revenge nutters with guns.

                          Elbows up!

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                            @89th said:

                            As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

                            Why are you confident about that?

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                            @Horace said:

                            @89th said:

                            As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

                            Why are you confident about that?

                            Mostly because you can see when his ear strikes an officer's gun/holster (IIRC) plus soon after his ear has no visible damage from it, which is remarkable if it had been shot (even nicked enough to bleed all over like that). He also holds his ear at first then moves his hand which had no blood on it but perhaps the blood didn't have time to start flowing yet, which I can see. Plus honestly, Trump likes saying "I was shot".

                            All of that being said, it is incredible that had Trump not turned his head in that split second, we would've had a 4K assassination on video.

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              @Horace said:

                              @89th said:

                              As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

                              Why are you confident about that?

                              Mostly because you can see when his ear strikes an officer's gun/holster (IIRC) plus soon after his ear has no visible damage from it, which is remarkable if it had been shot (even nicked enough to bleed all over like that). He also holds his ear at first then moves his hand which had no blood on it but perhaps the blood didn't have time to start flowing yet, which I can see. Plus honestly, Trump likes saying "I was shot".

                              All of that being said, it is incredible that had Trump not turned his head in that split second, we would've had a 4K assassination on video.

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                              @89th said:

                              @Horace said:

                              @89th said:

                              As a professional viewer of Internet videos, I can tell you it was not staged, trumps reaction was too realistic and authentic. That being said, I’m pretty confident the bullet didn’t actually strike his ear. The blood was from an impact with secret service during the tackling .

                              Why are you confident about that?

                              Mostly because you can see when his ear strikes an officer's gun/holster (IIRC) plus soon after his ear has no visible damage from it, which is remarkable if it had been shot (even nicked enough to bleed all over like that). He also holds his ear at first then moves his hand which had no blood on it but perhaps the blood didn't have time to start flowing yet, which I can see. Plus honestly, Trump likes saying "I was shot".

                              All of that being said, it is incredible that had Trump not turned his head in that split second, we would've had a 4K assassination on video.

                              Still confused. Why would you think he almost got shot in the head, if you don't think he was shot in the ear? If he didn't get shot in the ear, then there's no reason to think a head turn would have made a difference. Anyway, not to be pedantic. It's the first theory I've heard against him getting shot in the ear.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Has he not turned his head I think the bullet would’ve struck the lower rear of his skull. But by moving his head the bullet just barely missed his head (including his ear).

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                                  I'm confused why you're confident there was a bullet near his head, if you're ignoring the ear wound.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Are you pulling my leg at this point? You can hear the shots, you can see the bullet (if that photo is true), people in that line of fire were shot in the crowd. I don't doubt the shooter was a loon, or that the shooting happened, just I don't think the bullet really hit his ear and caused the bleeding.

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                                      No I’m not pulling your leg. You think the bullet was so close to his head that a head turn saved his life. You are theorizing a bullet within a couple inch window next to his ear and yet you’re confident that the ear wound was from contact with the secret service. You have no reason to believe the bullet was so close to his head other than the ear wound. Without the ear wound we can only say he was in the line of fire just like everybody standing around him. Just like the guy who actually died 20 feet away. It would never occur to you that a head turn saved him. That seems obvious and unarguable. Without the ear wound you wouldn’t think a head turn saved him. Yet you don’t think the ear wound had anything to do with the bullet. The two beliefs are incompatible. From your perspective you have no reason to believe a head turn saved him.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        I see what you're saying but no, you can hear the bullet (I think?) whizz by. You also see Trump react by reaching up and grabbing his ear after something buzzed by at a million MPH. Again there is the photo of the bullet in mid-air too. I think he turned his head, felt/heard the bullet zip by, maybe it even hit a hair on the edge of his ear! But I don't think his ear was shot for the reasons laid out earlier. Maybe we need ABS #baseball.

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                                          You should ask TARS.

                                          I have heard a theory that contact with the SS agent as they pulled him down was the cause of the injury

                                          Gemini:
                                          That theory did circulate online in the immediate aftermath of the shooting, along with other rumors involving teleprompter glass or staged blood capsules. However, it is demonstrably false based on the visual evidence from the event.

                                          The timeline of the video and photographic evidence completely rules out the possibility that a Secret Service agent caused the injury:

                                          • The Chronology of the Flinch: Video footage of the rally clearly shows Trump reacting to the projectile before any agents touch him. He winces, brings his right hand up to his right ear, looks at his hand (which already has blood on it), and then drops to the ground on his own accord.
                                          • The Swarm Happened Later: The Secret Service agents did not make physical contact with Trump until after he was already crouching behind the podium. Because he was bleeding before the agents tackled him, the injury could not have been caused by their gear, watches, or physical impact during the dogpile.
                                          • Photographic Evidence: High-shutter-speed photographs taken by photojournalists, most notably Doug Mills of The New York Times, captured the exact moment of the shooting. One frame shows the vapor trail of a bullet passing inches from Trump's head right as he is beginning to reach for his ear, corroborating that the injury was caused by a projectile in the air, not a subsequent physical altercation.

                                          In chaotic, high-profile events, it is very common for alternate theories to fill the information vacuum before the dust settles. However, in this case, the synchronized video, audio, and photographic evidence—coupled with the FBI and medical reports—prove the injury occurred before the Secret Service intervened.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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