and speaking of airport nightmares...

[bachophile]

unbelievable what happened at LGA, if you listen to the ATC, sounds like a chaotic situation just waiting for disaster to happen...

[bachophile]

just my two cents, when he is screaming stop stop stop...before that he had told a frontier aircraft to hold, and maybe the truck didnt understand he was the one being told to stop....be that as it may, looks like the ATC fucked up royally. poor guy. probably ended not just his carreer but his whole life just changed.

[jon-nyc]

Wow.

[jon-nyc]

I wonder if the first Trump post about it blame democrats in general or Chuck Schumer in particular? Off to polymarket….

[89th]

Of course I open up TNCR before any news this morning, hadn't heard of this. Looking now. (Not related to this, but my instagram algo is sending me ATC situations all the time, I enjoy listening to it and 99.9% it's just talk, no actual accidents).

[89th]

Various clips out there, here is one. Yeah looks as "simple" as ATC told the truck to cross Runway 4 then tried to get Frontier (taxiing) to stop then kept saying stop stop stop (probably trying to talk to the truck and the JZA646 that just landed) in a panic. Not sure how much time elapsed but I bet he says the stop stop stop after the crash/fire is visible.

Not that every problem requires a computer or AI, but it's remarkable that ground control with predefined routes, predefined vehicles, and predefined risks aren't automated to prevent anything like this. Perhaps with a billion flights per day (rounding up...), the issue is the rogue helicopter (DCA) or the rogue firetruck (LGA). Obviously not rogue, but a vehicle trying to cross where the big planes are coming and going...

[jon-nyc]

Video.

[89th]

I'd imagine seatbelts saved many lives in that plane with such a forward impact. No idea how anyone in the fire vehicle survived...but perhaps the plane struck the back of it where there was no one sitting. Poor pilots, probably saw it clear as day in the final seconds.