The Grassley Report
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wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 23:24 last edited by Mik
TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Horace said in The Grassley Report:
Paying hundreds of millions of dollars a year for advisors (of all different types) is the norm for Fortune 100 companies.
I worked with several Fortune 100 companies. I worked for a Fortune 1 company for a number of years.
I remember being and hiring consultants.
I don't remember us paying or being paid hundreds of millions, or even $3.5 million, for nothing. Usually there was something expected in return for the money.
wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 23:27 last edited by xenon@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Horace said in The Grassley Report:
Paying hundreds of millions of dollars a year for advisors (of all different types) is the norm for Fortune 100 companies.
I worked with several Fortune 100 companies. I worked for a Fortune 1 company for a number of years.
I remember being and hiring consultants.
I don't remember us paying or being paid hundreds of millions, or even $3.5 million, for nothing. Usually there was something expected in return for the money.
Say you're a portfolio manager looking for foreign energy companies to invest in - Perhaps Russian/Ukranian ones.
All else being equal - one had a board full of Ukranian natives and the other having some well known ex-pats on it. Which one would you choose?
Mabye Hunter was corrupt. I have no idea. But getting paid $1M a month to be a board member of a foreign company is by no means a criminal indictment.
Famous board members get paid craploads for essentially not delivering anything all the time.
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wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 23:32 last edited by
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
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wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 23:40 last edited by xenon
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
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wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 23:45 last edited by
Sure. It's called selling access, which is the whole point of the discussion.
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TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:33 last edited by@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
I agree with you MIkaloh. They are not out there selling it, but would you agree that because of who they are, they are already one or two steps in front of other companies?
I am sure that Vice President Biden son did not say - "Psst, hire me (or my company) and I will say good things about you to my father" But, it is (to me) it is pretty obvious that there is some exception on the part of the customer.
I am sure that President Trump sons did not say - "Psst, chose our company, and we will say good things about you to my father".
I think I have mentioned previously, but I have been involved (in a minor way) on some large infrastructure projects and have spent many hours looking at and reviewing bid documents. Most government departments are required to be "transparent" in their selection process.
But, it is not that difficult to set the language in a bid document so that the advantage goes to one company or organization. So, if someone later comes back and says - "Why did you choose Vice President Biden company or President Trump company?", they can point to their spreadsheet and show that it was all "above the water".
But in reality, it would have been very difficult for Biden/Trump company to lose. Certain standards had to be met, and oh my gosh, the Biden/Trump company was the only one that could meet it.
All is I am saying is that it is nave to think that personal connections does not influence the final decision. Can I prove that? No. And I am sure that if I had docuemtation for Biden/Trump companies and their bidding on various projects, I would not find anything. That does not mean it is not there. And maybe it is all perfectly legal.
Just look at the forum thread that @George-K started about Supreme Court clerks. Somewhat similar. Law companies are not hiring these people because they are so so much better than other lawyers. Part of teh reason is that they have "connections".
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:38 last edited by
I really worry about some of you.
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:38 last edited by
It's similar to buying a lottery ticket. There's a chance it'll be valuable and you pay for that chance, while understanding it may be worthless.
The unethical part comes in for the cases it's actually valuable. But when one buys the ticket, one assumes that the influence one purchases will be laundered and untraceable. It is up to the other players to insure that. If they want to stay in the game, they do that job well.
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@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:54 last edited by@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
You are talking about an imaginary person
Go look up the facts about Mr. Biden
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
You are talking about an imaginary person
Go look up the facts about Mr. Biden
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:56 last edited by@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
You are talking about an imaginary person
Go look up the facts about Mr. Biden
I dunno what you’re talking about. He’s Biden’s son and went to Yale Law school. That’s all I said
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:57 last edited by xenon
So - what was the crime uncovered after the investigation? I just don’t follow the thread. Was it that he got paid a lot of money?
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:57 last edited by
Jesus.
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@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
How many countries have given them $3.5 million for nothing?
It is not for nothing. They are expecting some sort of influence.
Maybe their company (Company X) wants to do a project in Country A. They are competing against Company Y. Company Y comes in cheaper, but the project rules are are changed such that only Company X can win.
Why would they do that? Because the person high up in teh company is the son of the Vice President or President. I think it is nave to think it is not going on.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 01:58 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in The Grassley Report:
@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
How many countries have given them $3.5 million for nothing?
It is not for nothing. They are expecting some sort of influence.
Maybe their company (Company X) wants to do a project in Country A. They are competing against Company Y. Company Y comes in cheaper, but the project rules are are changed such that only Company X can win.
Why would they do that? Because the person high up in teh company is the son of the Vice President or President. I think it is nave to think it is not going on.
The same as x
You are imagining what might happen
The events surrounding Mr. Biden happened
Mr. Trump and his family have been hounded by the entire news industry for 4 years. If it was even remotely possible to find the imaginary story you are talking about, they probably would have found it.
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So - what was the crime uncovered after the investigation? I just don’t follow the thread. Was it that he got paid a lot of money?
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 02:01 last edited by@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
So - what was the crime uncovered after the investigation? I just don’t follow the thread. Was it that he got paid a lot of money?
We get that you are a big expert about high-priced foreign consultants. That's swell.
But that has nothing to do with the story on Mr. Biden.
You don't even have to look it up. George already did that for you - just scroll to the top of this thread and see the document with details about the corruption.
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 02:09 last edited by
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
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wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 02:11 last edited by
I imagine it's worth the money with or without a paper trail. The swamp is a mysterious beast that eats and poops paper. Money is made while the paper is being digested, safely away from prying eyes.
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I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 02:47 last edited by@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
The Senate report ties Hunter Biden to a Ukranian human trafficking ring.
Of course that's no big deal, huh? I mean.., they wouldn't try to extort Joe or anything.. after all, he's a democrat.
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
The Senate report ties Hunter Biden to a Ukranian human trafficking ring.
Of course that's no big deal, huh? I mean.., they wouldn't try to extort Joe or anything.. after all, he's a democrat.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 03:10 last edited by@Larry said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
The Senate report ties Hunter Biden to a Ukranian human trafficking ring.
Of course that's no big deal, huh? I mean.., they wouldn't try to extort Joe or anything.. after all, he's a democrat.
So they’ll forward their evidence to law enforcement and we should see him in court, then.
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TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 03:59 last edited by@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
Yeah, I assume they are corrupt, because well, they just are. And if they aren't corrupt, well, they just haven't been caught, yet.
Sounds like paying off people in the U.S. government is like the expected bribes and corruption in mainland China / CCP.
It's not the money, when it becomes just an expectation of doing business. Back in the day, there would have been truth seekers, and people would go to jail. Of course not all, but some, in order to make it certain that there was a rule of law in this country, and not a rule of men with unimaginable amounts of money plus censorship via media. We are all dupes. At least back in the day, I might have been born not only into wealth, but damn, I'd make a great King or something. Also back in the day, there actually were truth seekers, at least in Oz.
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I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
wrote on 24 Sept 2020, 06:58 last edited by@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
If I told you it had been discovered that Donald Trump Jr. Had recieved a wire transfer of 3.5 million dollars from the wife of the mayor of Moscow, who was personal friends with Putin, would you say that was proof of collusion with Russia? What if I told you that proof had been discovered that Trump Jr. Had wired tens of thousands of dollars to various Russian and Ukranian prostitutes. Would you say that showed collusion with Russia? Of course you would. For nearly 4 years you have parroted the democrat lie about Trump and Russian collusion in spite of the fact that not one solitary thread of evidence was ever produced. You would have roasted Trump if even so much as a phone call had been discovered.
Yet here we are, nearly 4 years and a hundred million or so dollars spent trying to nail Trump with "Russian collusion", and solid, verifiable proof that both Joe Biden as well as his son, his brother, and his brother's wife, have been getting rich from colluding with Russia, and you fold like a cheap shirt.