The Grassley Report
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@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
How many countries have given them $3.5 million for nothing?
It is not for nothing. They are expecting some sort of influence.
Maybe their company (Company X) wants to do a project in Country A. They are competing against Company Y. Company Y comes in cheaper, but the project rules are are changed such that only Company X can win.
Why would they do that? Because the person high up in teh company is the son of the Vice President or President. I think it is nave to think it is not going on.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Horace said in The Grassley Report:
Paying hundreds of millions of dollars a year for advisors (of all different types) is the norm for Fortune 100 companies.
I worked with several Fortune 100 companies. I worked for a Fortune 1 company for a number of years.
I remember being and hiring consultants.
I don't remember us paying or being paid hundreds of millions, or even $3.5 million, for nothing. Usually there was something expected in return for the money.
Say you're a portfolio manager looking for foreign energy companies to invest in - Perhaps Russian/Ukranian ones.
All else being equal - one had a board full of Ukranian natives and the other having some well known ex-pats on it. Which one would you choose?
Mabye Hunter was corrupt. I have no idea. But getting paid $1M a month to be a board member of a foreign company is by no means a criminal indictment.
Famous board members get paid craploads for essentially not delivering anything all the time.
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@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
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@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
TG, do you think that if the Trump boys were out selling influence internationally that would not have been screamed from the rafters already? It's really not believable and you have no evidence, just unfounded assumption.
I agree with you MIkaloh. They are not out there selling it, but would you agree that because of who they are, they are already one or two steps in front of other companies?
I am sure that Vice President Biden son did not say - "Psst, hire me (or my company) and I will say good things about you to my father" But, it is (to me) it is pretty obvious that there is some exception on the part of the customer.
I am sure that President Trump sons did not say - "Psst, chose our company, and we will say good things about you to my father".
I think I have mentioned previously, but I have been involved (in a minor way) on some large infrastructure projects and have spent many hours looking at and reviewing bid documents. Most government departments are required to be "transparent" in their selection process.
But, it is not that difficult to set the language in a bid document so that the advantage goes to one company or organization. So, if someone later comes back and says - "Why did you choose Vice President Biden company or President Trump company?", they can point to their spreadsheet and show that it was all "above the water".
But in reality, it would have been very difficult for Biden/Trump company to lose. Certain standards had to be met, and oh my gosh, the Biden/Trump company was the only one that could meet it.
All is I am saying is that it is nave to think that personal connections does not influence the final decision. Can I prove that? No. And I am sure that if I had docuemtation for Biden/Trump companies and their bidding on various projects, I would not find anything. That does not mean it is not there. And maybe it is all perfectly legal.
Just look at the forum thread that @George-K started about Supreme Court clerks. Somewhat similar. Law companies are not hiring these people because they are so so much better than other lawyers. Part of teh reason is that they have "connections".
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It's similar to buying a lottery ticket. There's a chance it'll be valuable and you pay for that chance, while understanding it may be worthless.
The unethical part comes in for the cases it's actually valuable. But when one buys the ticket, one assumes that the influence one purchases will be laundered and untraceable. It is up to the other players to insure that. If they want to stay in the game, they do that job well.
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
You are talking about an imaginary person
Go look up the facts about Mr. Biden
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@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
@Mik said in The Grassley Report:
Hunter Biden is not famous for anything but his father. That dog won't hunt.
So you're basically saying that there's no value of having someone on your board who is the son of the VPOTUS, went to elite schools himself and is obviously politically connected (even though no one would really know how connected).
You're saying there's no value to bringing a person on your Board like that if you're trying to get foreign investors? (Or other types of foreign deals)
You are talking about an imaginary person
Go look up the facts about Mr. Biden
I dunno what you’re talking about. He’s Biden’s son and went to Yale Law school. That’s all I said
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@taiwan_girl said in The Grassley Report:
@Copper said in The Grassley Report:
How many countries have given them $3.5 million for nothing?
It is not for nothing. They are expecting some sort of influence.
Maybe their company (Company X) wants to do a project in Country A. They are competing against Company Y. Company Y comes in cheaper, but the project rules are are changed such that only Company X can win.
Why would they do that? Because the person high up in teh company is the son of the Vice President or President. I think it is nave to think it is not going on.
The same as x
You are imagining what might happen
The events surrounding Mr. Biden happened
Mr. Trump and his family have been hounded by the entire news industry for 4 years. If it was even remotely possible to find the imaginary story you are talking about, they probably would have found it.
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
So - what was the crime uncovered after the investigation? I just don’t follow the thread. Was it that he got paid a lot of money?
We get that you are a big expert about high-priced foreign consultants. That's swell.
But that has nothing to do with the story on Mr. Biden.
You don't even have to look it up. George already did that for you - just scroll to the top of this thread and see the document with details about the corruption.
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@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
The Senate report ties Hunter Biden to a Ukranian human trafficking ring.
Of course that's no big deal, huh? I mean.., they wouldn't try to extort Joe or anything.. after all, he's a democrat.
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@Larry said in The Grassley Report:
@xenon said in The Grassley Report:
I read it. It amounts to Hunter got paid by prominent Russians and Chinese while his dad was VP.
There could absolutely be shady things that happen under those circumstances. I don’t see any spelled out.
The Senate report ties Hunter Biden to a Ukranian human trafficking ring.
Of course that's no big deal, huh? I mean.., they wouldn't try to extort Joe or anything.. after all, he's a democrat.
So they’ll forward their evidence to law enforcement and we should see him in court, then.
