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  • HoraceH Online
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    Horace
    wrote last edited by Horace
    #23

    No, you're not really learning. But I'm patient. You may not have understood my previous post; feel free to read it again. The difference in versions that Anthropic wants to provide and that DoD wants them to provide, is not one of categorical "can or cannot be used for illegal surveillance". This is an important point. The DoD only wants imperfect guardrails removed.

    It is simply and objectively false to think that the version Anthropic would like to provide, will perfectly prevent itself from use in "illegal" surveillance while allowing itself to be used in legal circumstances. The DoD is demanding that the imperfect guardrails not be a potential impediment to their legal uses. Explicitly that is their demand. Yes, your framing is tribal and tortured.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • 89th8 Online
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      Didn't we have a Claude member here once? Maybe he can weigh in. If not, @klaus is as close as we get.

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      • 89th8 89th

        Didn't we have a Claude member here once? Maybe he can weigh in. If not, @klaus is as close as we get.

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        Renauda
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        #25

        @89th said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

        Didn't we have a Claude member here once? Maybe he can weigh in. If not, @klaus is as close as we get.

        That’s going back awhile. Yeah, I think his complete handle was Claude Balls.

        I just assumed it another one of the late Larry’s numerous fun sock puppets

        Elbows up!

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #26

          Ha. I remember that now.

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            #27

            Get out your popcorn.

            An interesting question is why the DoD doesn't just go with Xai. I guess Claude really is better.

            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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            • 89th8 Online
              89th8 Online
              89th
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              #28

              cause Xai is Gai

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              • 89th8 89th

                cause Xai is Gai

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                @89th said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                cause Xai is Gai

                And Gai means "chicken."
                https://www.gainyc.com/ 😋

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                • AxtremusA Offline
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                  #30

                  Don't think there is a meaningful distinction between different "versions" of a large AI model. It costs way too much for a company to perform parallel trainings to develop two significantly different "versions."

                  If the underlying AI model is the same, then putting different "guardrails" around the model gives little confidence that a tech savvy user (like the Pentagon) won't have the capability to get around those guardrails.

                  It sounds to me Anthropic wants the Pentagon to promise (as a matter of contract) not to use its product for certain purposes, rather than trying to not provide a certain "version" of its product.

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                    #31

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/02/26/hegseth-anthropic-ai-model-claude/

                    Hegseth wants Anthropic to modify its contract to allow “any lawful use” of the technology. Anthropic is willing to rewrite its current terms of use but not to include mass surveillance of Americans or accommodate weapons that operate without a person in the loop to make the final decision.

                    It seems WaPo's Editorial Board reads the situation as I do: it's a contractual "terms of use" issue, not a "product version" issue.

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                    • 89th8 Online
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                      #32

                      https://www.anthropic.com/news/statement-department-of-war

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                      • HoraceH Online
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                        #33

                        OpenAI is in negotiations with the DoD to take over for Anthropic. I hope the "supply chain risk" threat is just negotiation hot air. I suspect it will prove to be, but who knows.

                        In the letter, Anthropic acknowledges that the law is currently ambiguous to non-existent. Their concerns are ethical rather than (currently) legal, and I think the DoD is well within its duties to find a vendor who will not impose their own ethical constraints.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            #35

                            Now it’s the Defense Production Act.

                            Hegseth can’t decide if Anthropic is a risk to national security or essential to national security.

                            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              We have very dangerous idiots running our country.

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                  #38

                                  Srsly, the alternative would have done better than this.

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    Srsly, the alternative would have done better than this.

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                                    @Axtremus said in Hegseth to Anthropic: Nice company you got there…:

                                    Srsly, the alternative would have done better than this.

                                    As would the county dog catcher.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Unmitigated idiocy at the helm.

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                                      • HoraceH Online
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                                        #41

                                        The threat to classify Anthropic as a supply chain threat is idiotic. The conflicting motivations of a company that brands itself with the highest ethical standards, but who want to provide cutting edge technology to the DoD, seems reasonable and even inevitable.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-bans-anthropic-government-use-rcna261055

                                          ... “OpenAI CEO Sam Altman posted on X Friday night that the company had struck a deal with the Department of Defense to deploy its models on the department’s classified networks.”

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