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  • MikM Mik

    No need. For all the bluster, missteps and chaos it's still better than the alternative.

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    @Mik said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

    No need. For all the bluster, missteps and chaos it's still better than the alternative.

    The mere fact that you don’t think there’s a need is proof of the need for someone else to do it.

    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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    • MikM Away
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      No, no it's not. I criticize him as much as anyone but you. I just don't do it with such a pathological hatred.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        You’re not making sense.

        Apologizing doesn’t imply hatred. Nor does it at all imply anything about the alternative.

        When you’re at the beach and your toddler steps all over someone else’s blanket with his sandy feet you apologize to them. It doesn’t mean you hate your kid and it doesn’t mean you wish you had had some alternative kid.

        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          My guess is at some level you really are sorry he shits on our allies and threatens Canada and geeenland.

          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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            I guess Mik now owes jon 5 cents. Glad to see mind reading is ok again, maybe I'll put up my shingle.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              You’re not making sense.

              Apologizing doesn’t imply hatred. Nor does it at all imply anything about the alternative.

              When you’re at the beach and your toddler steps all over someone else’s blanket with his sandy feet you apologize to them. It doesn’t mean you hate your kid and it doesn’t mean you wish you had had some alternative kid.

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              @jon-nyc said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

              You’re not making sense.

              Apologizing doesn’t imply hatred. Nor does it at all imply anything about the alternative.

              Your years of derogatory posts toward Trump and anyone foolish enough in your eyes to vote for him are ample evidence of pathological hatred.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • HoraceH Horace

                I guess Mik now owes jon 5 cents. Glad to see mind reading is ok again, maybe I'll put up my shingle.

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                said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

                I guess Mik now owes jon 5 cents. Glad to see mind reading is ok again, maybe I'll put up my shingle.

                Here's a start: an apology on behalf of someone who doesn't want to apologize, is not a legitimate apology. It's really only a sanctimonious posturing, meant to imply a superior moral positioning.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I am genuinely sorry he was elected. You can’t possibly believe otherwise.

                  So I’ll rephrase it.

                  I offer my sincere apologies for the fact that so many of my countrymen voted for this.

                  The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                  • W Wim

                    @Renauda France will not do that. Neither will Belgium as the consequences might be too obnoxious.
                    But this is definitely a US strategy: causing havoc by pertinently lying about and interfering with local politics in Europe.
                    Trumpty-Dumpty and Shite (US ambassador in Belgium) are exponents of sheer stupidity and arrogance.

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                    @Wim said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

                    @Renauda France will not do that. Neither will Belgium as the consequences might be too obnoxious.
                    But this is definitely a US strategy: causing havoc by pertinently lying about and interfering with local politics in Europe.
                    Trumpty-Dumpty and Shite (US ambassador in Belgium) are exponents of sheer stupidity and arrogance.

                    I am aware of that, and agree with your breakdown on it.

                    I also feel similarly that Ottawa should PNG the current US ambassador to Canada, Peter Hoestra. In the past year his comments on Canadian domestic affairs and issues have periodically ventured way offside of acceptability for the most senior accredited diplomat representing a foreign country here.

                    Elbows up!

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                      @jon-nyc Now that we're therapizing, do you suppose the wallpaper of vomitous hatred you ply this board with, will help to keep people from voting in the way you're "sorry" for, in future elections? I know the word "sorry" can be multi-purpose, and one can be "sorry" for things they had nothing to do with, but the most effective apologies stem from regret for one's own behavior.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        No I think you’re a lost cause.

                        Sorry.

                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          No need. For all the bluster, missteps and chaos it's still better than the alternative.

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                          @Mik said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

                          No need. For all the bluster, missteps and chaos it's still better than the alternative.

                          Not so sure. I doubt “the alternative” (this one time I am not referring to Nikki Haley either) would have awarded an ambassadorship to a convicted felon, albeit pardoned by Trump himself, and family relative through marriage.

                          At the very least, bad form and raises more questions than should otherwise be warranted.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Away
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                            Well, that is one point I can agree on, but I still believe that overall he's a much more effective president than Harris would have been. For all the plentiful distastefulness, he's tackling more issues head on than any president in memory. He has quite an ability to reframe and refocus national discussions.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              That’s simply reframing the excuse I heard repeatedly during and immediately after his first term in office when it was pointed out that Trump was not a conservative. The retort was nearly always the same, ”yes, but he governs or governed as a conservative”.

                              It’s an excuse to provide Trump cover for his ineptitude in the role he is degrading every day he sits in office.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Away
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                                I think he's much more effective in this second term than the first. Like all presidents, he's done some things well and some badly.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  I think we know if Harris was President we'd basically see a cruise control of what Biden was doing. In many respects, I think we'd have a similar economy as to what Trump has now, so to me that's a bit of wash. We'd have borders than are more open than they are now but also wouldn't have masked men kidnapping people and shooting people in the streets.

                                  So really it comes down to, do you want the country moving slowly left on cruise control without blowing up diplomatic relations and without a garbage truck full of corruption and deplorable acts, or do you want the country moving back to the right but with all that the garbage truck of corruption brings?

                                  At this point I'd rather have Harris and then hopefully get a much better conservative in office in 2028 to bring us back to the right and hopefully add some fiscal stewardship on top. As I said in 2016 when I didn't vote for Trump, I could never tell my kids I voted for that type of person and sadly that's one prediction that seems to have been reinforced by behavior x1000.

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                                    All of that being said, I do see the 4D chess moves of long-lasting regime change potential in Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, (and maybe cartel change Mexico)... that would be a heck of a reputation to earn if those moves can come to fruition in the next 2-3 years. The first chess move to bomb Iran was one, the cutting off of oil to Cuba from Venezuela and Mexico is 2, the arresting of Maduro was 3, so I do see this trending in a POTENTIALLY historic direction. I suppose Rubio may get the VP credit for it in 2028.

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                                      One quick question, have we heard why Kushner refused to meet with the Ministers?

                                      The Brad

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                                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                        One quick question, have we heard why Kushner refused to meet with the Ministers?

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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in US Ambassador to France - French Will Not Meet With Him:

                                        One quick question, have we heard why Kushner refused to meet with the Ministers?

                                        This:

                                        A French official told The Hill Monday that Kushner did not show up to the foreign ministry when he was summoned, a breach of diplomatic protocol. As a result, Kushner is now denied meetings with French ministers.

                                        He refused to a summons from the French Foreign Minister.

                                        When summoned to by the host foreign ministry, a serving ambassador is obliged to comply with the order. That is understood and accepted diplomatic protocol.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          I'm really surprised Charles Kushner, who inherited his father's business, and later went to federal prison for felonies including illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering in which he hired a whore to seduce his brother in law in order to blackmail him, would ever do something wrong.

                                          FYI I think he didn't show up for the summons because he thought France isn't doing enough to stop the rise of antisemitic attacks.

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