"I gave my dad a choice"
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I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.
Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.
I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:
Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.
And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.
@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.
Calm down, bro.
Stop and think if Trump really has an impact on you or your friends/family. Most likely not at all. Stop getting sucked into the Hollywood/MSM narrative.
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Let’s try a more extreme case:
Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?
(Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)
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Yeah, I forgot about all of those Trans/Hispanic/Black/Chinese concentration camps that Trump has built. Bastard.
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@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others. I recognize the idea from the left's playbook as they rhetorically defend all the systemic racism/oppression stuff. Sooner or later you'll hear that the experiences of the oppressed cannot be explained to a white male like you. So your choices become to shut up, know your place as an observer but not actor in the culture, or be evil, by continuing to talk about your own opinions as if they are informed.
Education is extremely important.
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I thought we were already hearing that?
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Yes I mean in any given conversation with any given lefty, sooner or later that religious idea will be presented. I sometimes test my conception of reality by engaging over at WTF and am never disappointed by certain particularly zealous zealots over there.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":
@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.
I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.
I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others. I recognize the idea from the left's playbook as they rhetorically defend all the systemic racism/oppression stuff. Sooner or later you'll hear that the experiences of the oppressed cannot be explained to a white male like you. So your choices become to shut up, know your place as an observer but not actor in the culture, or be evil, by continuing to talk about your own opinions as if they are informed.
@Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":
I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others.
Well, it's not "never"; we have the capacity for abstract thought and so we can understand each other. It's just that the baseline is, sometimes we literally can't "see" what someone's talking about. So it takes a lot more work to get at understanding.
It's not that you simply have to explain things better to TDS Dad in this example. The first step is that he needs to accept the premise on a matter of total faith that a world could exist in which his response is an over-reaction. It's not that he values self-righteousness more, it's that he honestly sees his dad as some kind of detriment to his kids. That's a more fundamental problem.
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Let’s try a more extreme case:
Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?
(Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)
@Axtremus said in "I gave my dad a choice":
Let’s try a more extreme case:
Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?
(Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)
Good Ax.
OK, but how tall are the children, and do they like fish? -
I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.
Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.
I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:
Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.
And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.
@George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":
I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.
Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.
I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:
Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.
And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.
Not really surprising if you think of those on the political extremes as religious, or perhaps even as cult followers. When politics becomes your religion then your very soul is at stake.
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I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.
Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.
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I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.
Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.
@Kincaid said in "I gave my dad a choice":
I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.
Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.
Killed in a crossfire.
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I feel for her and her boyfriend. I would very possible have done exactly the same - and that is even IF I heard them shouting they were police.
But I don't blame the police for shooting back once shot at. Sadly, if she had been asleep in bed she would have been fine.
