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  • H Horace
    22 Sept 2020, 03:15

    Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 03:29 last edited by
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    @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

    Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

    I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

    Please love yourself.

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    • A Aqua Letifer
      22 Sept 2020, 03:29

      @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

      Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

      I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

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      brenda
      wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 04:10 last edited by
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      @Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":

      @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

      Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

      I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

      This. It's like two different worlds occupying the same time and space.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:08 last edited by
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        Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?', where people tell all kinds of stories of bizarre behaviour like this, and so ask the question in the title.

        Sometimes the answer is 'hell, no!' and sometimes it's 'hell, yes!'.

        This sort of thing isn't restricted to politics.

        I was only joking

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          22 Sept 2020, 11:08

          Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?', where people tell all kinds of stories of bizarre behaviour like this, and so ask the question in the title.

          Sometimes the answer is 'hell, no!' and sometimes it's 'hell, yes!'.

          This sort of thing isn't restricted to politics.

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          George K
          wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:33 last edited by
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          @Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":

          Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',

          Sounds like a ton of fun.

          They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            22 Sept 2020, 11:33

            @Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":

            Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',

            Sounds like a ton of fun.

            They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 11:43 last edited by
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            @George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":

            @Doctor-Phibes said in "I gave my dad a choice":

            Mrs. Phibes visits a Reddit place called 'Am I the asshole?',

            Sounds like a ton of fun.

            They probably have serious discussions about loading the toilet paper roll "over" or "under."

            There's a lot of stupid family stuff - it's a window into humanity.

            https://lifehacker.com/the-greatest-stories-from-the-am-i-the-asshole-subredd-1837987235

            I was only joking

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            • G George K
              21 Sept 2020, 23:24

              https://medium.com/@guinanleo/today-i-gave-my-dad-a-choice-trump-or-his-grandkids-and-his-son-b2f971ed39f9

              I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.

              Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.

              I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:

              Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.

              And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.

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              89th
              wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 12:22 last edited by
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              @George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":

              Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.

              Calm down, bro.

              Stop and think if Trump really has an impact on you or your friends/family. Most likely not at all. Stop getting sucked into the Hollywood/MSM narrative.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 13:08 last edited by
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                Let’s try a more extreme case:

                Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?

                (Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 13:52 last edited by
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                  Yeah, I forgot about all of those Trans/Hispanic/Black/Chinese concentration camps that Trump has built. Bastard.

                  The Brad

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                  • A Aqua Letifer
                    22 Sept 2020, 03:29

                    @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                    Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

                    I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 14:02 last edited by
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                    @Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                    @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                    Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

                    I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

                    I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others. I recognize the idea from the left's playbook as they rhetorically defend all the systemic racism/oppression stuff. Sooner or later you'll hear that the experiences of the oppressed cannot be explained to a white male like you. So your choices become to shut up, know your place as an observer but not actor in the culture, or be evil, by continuing to talk about your own opinions as if they are informed.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 14:05 last edited by
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                      I thought we were already hearing that?

                      The Brad

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 14:09 last edited by
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                        Yes I mean in any given conversation with any given lefty, sooner or later that religious idea will be presented. I sometimes test my conception of reality by engaging over at WTF and am never disappointed by certain particularly zealous zealots over there.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • H Horace
                          22 Sept 2020, 14:02

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                          @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                          Yes it’s why I believe righteousness becomes the most important human failing after laws and mores get rid of the more obviously selfish failings through legal punishment and shame.

                          I don't think it's just that. I think Peterson is right in that we literally see different realities from one another. There's considerable overlap but there are things people see that others don't. In other words, none of us is completely exempt from being delusional. That's why some things can't even be explained to others, let alone seen. It's a far deeper problem than righteousness.

                          I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others. I recognize the idea from the left's playbook as they rhetorically defend all the systemic racism/oppression stuff. Sooner or later you'll hear that the experiences of the oppressed cannot be explained to a white male like you. So your choices become to shut up, know your place as an observer but not actor in the culture, or be evil, by continuing to talk about your own opinions as if they are informed.

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 14:15 last edited by
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                          @Horace said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                          I dislike the notion that certain things can be understood by some but never communicated to others.

                          Well, it's not "never"; we have the capacity for abstract thought and so we can understand each other. It's just that the baseline is, sometimes we literally can't "see" what someone's talking about. So it takes a lot more work to get at understanding.

                          It's not that you simply have to explain things better to TDS Dad in this example. The first step is that he needs to accept the premise on a matter of total faith that a world could exist in which his response is an over-reaction. It's not that he values self-righteousness more, it's that he honestly sees his dad as some kind of detriment to his kids. That's a more fundamental problem.

                          Please love yourself.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 14:28 last edited by
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                            Yes, a lack of humility allows for runaway righteousness.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • A Axtremus
                              22 Sept 2020, 13:08

                              Let’s try a more extreme case:

                              Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?

                              (Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)

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                              Rainman
                              wrote on 22 Sept 2020, 22:42 last edited by
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                              @Axtremus said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                              Let’s try a more extreme case:

                              Suppose an Aryan child took a Jew for a spouse and produced half-Jewish children, and the Aryan child’s parent (the half-Jewish children’s grandparent) professes to support Adolf Hitler along with Hitler’s professed policy to exterminate all Jews, would the Aryan child be right to gave the half-Jewish children’s grandparent a choice to either supporting Hitler or never see the half-Jewish grandchildren again?

                              (Note the irony that Hitler’s policy will make it a reality that the Aryan grandparent will not be able to see the half-Jewish grandchildren again.)

                              Good Ax.
                              OK, but how tall are the children, and do they like fish?

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                              • G George K
                                21 Sept 2020, 23:24

                                https://medium.com/@guinanleo/today-i-gave-my-dad-a-choice-trump-or-his-grandkids-and-his-son-b2f971ed39f9

                                I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.

                                Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.

                                I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:

                                Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.

                                And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.

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                                Kincaid
                                wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 01:28 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                                https://medium.com/@guinanleo/today-i-gave-my-dad-a-choice-trump-or-his-grandkids-and-his-son-b2f971ed39f9

                                I wrote earlier about trying to express my reasons to my dad in a calm and intellectual manner. I actually thought I had been calm and well-reasoned. I thought I might even be making progress.

                                Today I found out he put a Trump sign in his yard.

                                I got pissed. Really pissed. And I sent him and my mom a text message. Hands shaking, tears in eyes. This is what it said:

                                Due to the signs in the yard, the kids and I will not be down. The current occupant of the White House is preaching hate and violence, endangering the lives and safety of many of my friends. This is not acceptable to me at all. There is a complete disregard for women, minorities, science, ethics, and morality. Please consider if you support Trump that much. Because I hate him that much. I wanted to be upfront and honest about my feelings.

                                And then I went for a walk to calm down. And the more I thought about it, the more I agreed with the message. At this point, it is not acceptable to me. You can vote for whom you wish. But I can choose who I surround myself with. I love my dad, but I can’t be around him until he understands how vital I believe this election to be and what is truly at stake. It is not easy. But it was necessary. Now to see what fallout occurs.

                                Not really surprising if you think of those on the political extremes as religious, or perhaps even as cult followers. When politics becomes your religion then your very soul is at stake.

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                                  Kincaid
                                  wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 01:30 last edited by
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                                  I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.

                                  Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.

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                                    23 Sept 2020, 01:30

                                    I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.

                                    Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 01:48 last edited by
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                                    @Kincaid said in "I gave my dad a choice":

                                    I am lucky I can laugh at Trump's buffoonery while supporting his policies. Gives me just enough cover at home with 4 women that hate the guy. Well, 3 at least. Middle child is somewhat apolitical.

                                    Youngest almost had a meltdown when I tried to discuss why Bryonna Taylor is a tragedy rather than a murder.

                                    Killed in a crossfire.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Kincaid
                                      wrote on 23 Sept 2020, 01:52 last edited by
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                                      I feel for her and her boyfriend. I would very possible have done exactly the same - and that is even IF I heard them shouting they were police.

                                      But I don't blame the police for shooting back once shot at. Sadly, if she had been asleep in bed she would have been fine.

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