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Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash

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  • HoraceH Online
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    Horace
    wrote last edited by Horace
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    At least, that's how I see it. He refuses to use his enormous cash reserves to buy any of his own stock, nor anybody else's stock. His own stock has significantly underperformed compared to the market after the tariff crash. He's left billions on the table with his early exit from AAPL. He still does own some, but only 20% of what he had at his peak.

    Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A) (BRK.B) +2% - Shares rose after the company reported a 34% Y/Y jump in operating profit, driven largely by strong insurance underwriting results. The conglomerate’s cash holdings climbed to a record ~$382B as of September 30, 2025, up from ~$344B in Q2, with no share buybacks during the quarter. This marks the final quarterly report with Warren Buffett as CEO, as he prepares to step down at the end of the year, with Greg Abel set to assume the role and begin writing annual shareholder letters starting in 2026. Q3 operating earnings totaled $13.49B, rebounding after two quarters of declines, while net earnings attributable to shareholders rose 17% Y/Y to $30.8B.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Online
      HoraceH Online
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      That'll be his final prognostication as CEO of Berkshire, as he's retiring in a month.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Online
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        The adage that the stock market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent springs to mind. He's in no danger of insolvency, but the opportunity cost of that cash pile, as compared to having invested it in the S&P, can be measured in the 10s of billions. He'll need an extraordinary crash to make any sense of that choice.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          wrote last edited by jon-nyc
          #4

          Also he needs the stock market to crash but not the dollar for this to make any sense.

          Ray Dallio seems particularly concerned about the latter.

          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

              HoraceH Online
              HoraceH Online
              Horace
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              @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

              Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

              Keeping cash is as big a decision as investing it is.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Online
                HoraceH Online
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                BRK down on the day, after an extremely good earnings report over the weekend. The market hates the cash strategy.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Online
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                  I won't be at all surprised if real valuations grow into these bubbly prices, due to AI. If that happens, BRK is screwed. The problem with keeping cash is that you either capitulate eventually, thereby eating the opportunity costs, or permanently accept the objectively bad outcome of 0% returns indefinitely.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    They’re probably earning more like 4% but still there’s some opportunity cost there.

                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    • HoraceH Online
                      HoraceH Online
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                      Yeah I guess it's in cash equivalents with sufficient liquidity, earning something or other.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • kluursK Offline
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                        So, what do we recommend for Buffet to ensure he'll not outlive his investments?

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                          Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

                          Keeping cash is as big a decision as investing it is.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          @Horace said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                          @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                          Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

                          Keeping cash is as big a decision as investing it is.

                          Yet one that can be easily changed.

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                          • MikM Away
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                            It may be part of his decision to give away the fortune.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Horace said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                              @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                              Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

                              Keeping cash is as big a decision as investing it is.

                              Yet one that can be easily changed.

                              HoraceH Online
                              HoraceH Online
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                              wrote last edited by
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                              @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                              @Horace said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                              @Axtremus said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                              Maybe he just doesn't want to do too much now as he nears retirement, leaving more big decisions to his successor.

                              Keeping cash is as big a decision as investing it is.

                              Yet one that can be easily changed.

                              Open market stock investments are easily changed.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • kluursK kluurs

                                So, what do we recommend for Buffet to ensure he'll not outlive his investments?

                                jon-nycJ Online
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                                @kluurs said in Buffett continues to bet on a stock market crash:

                                So, what do we recommend for Buffet to ensure he'll not outlive his investments?

                                Give it all to me and I will support him and his wife until they die.

                                That’s the kind of guy I am, I don’t even know them yet I’m willing to assume their longevity risk.

                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • HoraceH Online
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                                  Michael Burry of Big Short fame took out a bunch of shorts on AI plays like PLTR and NVDA last quarter. They're all deeply underwater by now, presumably, but maybe they'll pay off eventually.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • 89th8 Online
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                                    I'd have to imagine they'll come back to earth eventually. The valuations are pretty bananas, but who knows. I got lucky buying PLTR a few years ago at like $6, so a few months ago when it was at $160 I sold like 30%. Of course it's like $190 now...

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                                    • 89th8 Online
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                                      Ha guess it was at $210 yesterday but is down 15% today.

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