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Our friends the Russians

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #18

    My favorite recent example was when I addressed your claim that Trump was "effectively declaring war on American cities". I referred to the claim twice, only the second time omitting the word "effectively". You immediately pounced on my strawmanning of your claim. There have been 100s of such examples, if not 1000s.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.

      Doctor PhibesD Online
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      Doctor Phibes
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      #19

      @Horace said in Our friends the Russians:

      The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.

      If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        @Horace said in Our friends the Russians:

        The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.

        If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.

        HoraceH Offline
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        @Doctor-Phibes said in Our friends the Russians:

        @Horace said in Our friends the Russians:

        The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.

        If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.

        I don't mind that he went to Russia, but many of his other recent talking points have been crazy. I would no longer feel like saying anything generally positive about him, if his recent output was all I knew. At the time I said that, it's what I felt. I guess I could take the safer tack of never saying anything positive about anybody, but then I would betray a fear of being dunked on in this insipid manner that unfortunately pervades this forum, where everybody takes personal responsibility for the actions and opinions of any public figure they've ever supported. Dunkaholics anonymous.

        I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @Doctor-Phibes said in Our friends the Russians:

          @Horace said in Our friends the Russians:

          The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.

          If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.

          I don't mind that he went to Russia, but many of his other recent talking points have been crazy. I would no longer feel like saying anything generally positive about him, if his recent output was all I knew. At the time I said that, it's what I felt. I guess I could take the safer tack of never saying anything positive about anybody, but then I would betray a fear of being dunked on in this insipid manner that unfortunately pervades this forum, where everybody takes personal responsibility for the actions and opinions of any public figure they've ever supported. Dunkaholics anonymous.

          I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.

          Doctor PhibesD Online
          Doctor PhibesD Online
          Doctor Phibes
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          #21

          @Horace said in Our friends the Russians:

          I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.

          Maybe we'll both have the opportunity to develop some new opinions about the lovely Ms. Luna in the fullness of time.

          I was only joking

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            #22

            I think if Reagan came back to life tomorrow the tariffs might well be the least concerning aspect of the totally unrecognizable GOP.

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #23

              Reagan might not have the tribal biases running through his head that would be triggered into imaginations of scandalous foreign interference, after seeing a probably meaningless publicity photo of some random diplomatic handshake.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #24

                I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.

                After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.

                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.

                  After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  wrote last edited by
                  #25

                  @jon-nyc said in Our friends the Russians:

                  I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.

                  After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.

                  If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    #26

                    As opposed to Trump, he would certainly have taken Ukraine’s side rather than Russia’s. As opposed to Biden he likely would have armed them for a victory rather than a stalemate.

                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #27

                      In Biden’s defense, the stalemate wasn’t such a bad strategy. We just underestimated Russia’s economic resilience and their willingness to sustain grave loss of life.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @jon-nyc said in Our friends the Russians:

                        I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.

                        After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.

                        If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        @Horace

                        If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                        Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.

                        What do you think?

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @Horace

                          If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                          Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.

                          What do you think?

                          HoraceH Offline
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                          @Renauda said in Our friends the Russians:

                          @Horace

                          If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                          Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.

                          What do you think?

                          I think non-interventionist politics were coming, one way or another. I'm not against thought experiments in general, and McCain vs Obama is an easy one to judge. Transposing a Reagan admin into today's culture is more wildly fantastical.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @Renauda said in Our friends the Russians:

                            @Horace

                            If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.

                            Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.

                            What do you think?

                            I think non-interventionist politics were coming, one way or another. I'm not against thought experiments in general, and McCain vs Obama is an easy one to judge. Transposing a Reagan admin into today's culture is more wildly fantastical.

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote last edited by Renauda
                            #30

                            @Horace

                            It is going to take a lot to convince me that interventionist politics are of a past era. They are still very much alive.

                            Elbows up!

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