Our friends the Russians
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@jon-nyc said in Our friends the Russians:
I think your strawmanning is sillier. But maybe that’s just me.
Any change of a single word in your magical strings of words that capture exactly the magic that you're thinking, is a strawman, as we all know. If your magical strings of words happen to convince anybody of the alleged strawman, well, that's not your fault, it's just their own misinterpretation. They are free to interpret your magic words that way, but pushing back on those interpretations is just intellectually dishonest strawmanning. I get the program, it's been the same for a very, very long time.
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My favorite recent example was when I addressed your claim that Trump was "effectively declaring war on American cities". I referred to the claim twice, only the second time omitting the word "effectively". You immediately pounced on my strawmanning of your claim. There have been 100s of such examples, if not 1000s.
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The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.
@Horace said in Our friends the Russians:
The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.
If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.
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@Horace said in Our friends the Russians:
The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.
If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Our friends the Russians:
@Horace said in Our friends the Russians:
The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.
If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.
I don't mind that he went to Russia, but many of his other recent talking points have been crazy. I would no longer feel like saying anything generally positive about him, if his recent output was all I knew. At the time I said that, it's what I felt. I guess I could take the safer tack of never saying anything positive about anybody, but then I would betray a fear of being dunked on in this insipid manner that unfortunately pervades this forum, where everybody takes personal responsibility for the actions and opinions of any public figure they've ever supported. Dunkaholics anonymous.
I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Our friends the Russians:
@Horace said in Our friends the Russians:
The notion that Russia owns the US via Maga is probably the silliest drumbeat on this forum. But I know it's fun to say, so carry on.
If I remember correctly, and I'm pretty sure I do, you're the guy who said that Tucker Carlson was good people. And that motherfucker ended up advertising Russian grocery stores.
I don't mind that he went to Russia, but many of his other recent talking points have been crazy. I would no longer feel like saying anything generally positive about him, if his recent output was all I knew. At the time I said that, it's what I felt. I guess I could take the safer tack of never saying anything positive about anybody, but then I would betray a fear of being dunked on in this insipid manner that unfortunately pervades this forum, where everybody takes personal responsibility for the actions and opinions of any public figure they've ever supported. Dunkaholics anonymous.
I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.
@Horace said in Our friends the Russians:
I think it's ok to develop new opinions over time, based on new information. I actually appreciate it when people do so, as long as I trust their motivations.
Maybe we'll both have the opportunity to develop some new opinions about the lovely Ms. Luna in the fullness of time.
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I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.
After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.
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I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.
After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.
@jon-nyc said in Our friends the Russians:
I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.
After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.
If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
Education is extremely important.
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@jon-nyc said in Our friends the Russians:
I was envisioning him being exposed to his party’s stance on Russia in 2025 for this thought experiment, not just seeing a single photo with no context.
After all, he wouldn’t recognize this woman who was probably in elementary school when he lost his marbles.
If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.
What do you think?
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If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.
What do you think?
@Renauda said in Our friends the Russians:
If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.
What do you think?
I think non-interventionist politics were coming, one way or another. I'm not against thought experiments in general, and McCain vs Obama is an easy one to judge. Transposing a Reagan admin into today's culture is more wildly fantastical.
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@Renauda said in Our friends the Russians:
If Reagan were in charge, how do you suppose he'd have handled the Ukraine war? Since we're speaking of thought experiments.
Not much different than would have John McCain in 2014 if were then in charge instead of Obama.
What do you think?
I think non-interventionist politics were coming, one way or another. I'm not against thought experiments in general, and McCain vs Obama is an easy one to judge. Transposing a Reagan admin into today's culture is more wildly fantastical.
