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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    Well he’s declaring them to be in a state of war, whatever that means, on the theory that that allows him to send troops in to offer violence to his political enemies.

    Thats a lot more words but still falls on the opposite side of the Nobel laureate ledger.

    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Well he’s declaring them to be in a state of war, whatever that means, on the theory that that allows him to send troops in to offer violence to his political enemies.

      Thats a lot more words but still falls on the opposite side of the Nobel laureate ledger.

      HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      @jon-nyc said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

      Well he’s declaring them to be in a state of war, whatever that means, on the theory that that allows him to send troops in to offer violence to his political enemies.

      Thats a lot more words but still falls on the opposite side of the Nobel laureate ledger.

      So in an economy of words, you sacrificed detail, in order to enhance communication. The dramatic word choice of "declare war on American cities" happens to be pretty damning to the politician you hate, but that was incidental. Your goal was simplified communication. Thank you for your explanation. I am now disabused of the notion that you often use bs rhetoric to support whatever point you're making that day, even though you're more than capable of arguing intelligently about why your bs rhetoric is bs.

      Occam might think that you just have a point of view, and you don't really care about the quality of rhetoric you will employ to convince people of it. But Occam's problem is that you haven't explained everything to him.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #28

        I put the word ‘effectively’ in there lest someone thinks the Congress who’s afraid to be in session lest they pass a discharge petition on the Epstein files actually issued a declaration of war.

        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I put the word ‘effectively’ in there lest someone thinks the Congress who’s afraid to be in session lest they pass a discharge petition on the Epstein files actually issued a declaration of war.

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          @jon-nyc said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

          I put the word ‘effectively’ in there lest someone thinks the Congress who’s afraid to be in session lest they pass a discharge petition on the Epstein files actually issued a declaration of war.

          Sorry for straw manning you. It's difficult to keep up with the rhetorical honesty and economy of your words. One minor tweak, and the magic is lost.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            #30

            Yes adding ‘effectively’ does change the meaning of the sentence.

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Yes adding ‘effectively’ does change the meaning of the sentence.

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              @jon-nyc said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

              Yes adding ‘effectively’ does change the meaning of the sentence.

              Indeed, and I'll relay that to Occam. But it's probably best if you do the talking. I can't imagine the magic words which will convince him, but I think you can.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                ~~So how well did the UN’s approach of calling Putin a War Criminal and a monster in countless proclamations work in getting Putin to the table? ~~

                So your answer is 0 holiday, but you reserve the right to still use it as a pointless argument because it might someday win you points. Got it.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

                ~~So how well did the UN’s approach of calling Putin a War Criminal and a monster in countless proclamations work in getting Putin to the table?….

                Got it.

                That was not the point of the ICC indictment. Putin has never come to the table. The Alaska summit was a farce with tragic consequence.

                Putin has no intention to negotiate anything less than the unconditional surrender of Ukraine. Get it?

                Elbows up!

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  The Trump nominations weren’t related to the newest Israel/Palestinian Peace Deal. They were based on ending the India/Pakistan conflict, The Congo and Rwanda Settlement, The Cambodia/Thailand Ceasefire, the Armenia/Azerbaijan settlement, and the earlier temporary ceasefire in Gaza.

                  So kindly let me know who has accomplished more this year, and that’s excluding the current peace plan in Gaza…

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

                  The Trump nominations weren’t related to the newest Israel/Palestinian Peace Deal. They were based on ending the India/Pakistan conflict, The Congo and Rwanda Settlement, The Cambodia/Thailand Ceasefire, the Armenia/Azerbaijan settlement, and the earlier temporary ceasefire in Gaza.

                  So kindly let me know who has accomplished more this year, and that’s excluding the current peace plan in Gaza…

                  As I said in another thread

                  Has his foreign policy made the world a safer place?

                  MIddle East/Israel - I am not sure what has changed that will carry on for years.

                  India/Pakistan - India is moving much closer to China. Also, it can be an arguement that things with Pakistan and India did not really "flare up" until President Trump was in office. Nothing has really changed there. India and Pakistan have been "at odds" with various firing at each other for decades.

                  Ukraine/Russia - still waiting for that 24 hour time limit to start to bring peace there.

                  China relations/DPRK - relations with China continue to be downward, though that is actually a continuing from President Biden's time. I would say that DPRK is probably more powerful now than they were a year ago.

                  Thailand/Cambodia - I think that President Trump had something to do with the ceasefire, but the overall situation is really unchanged, other than the PM of Thailand has been removed and replaced.

                  Africa - dont know much about it Revisit in a year. (The biggest fighting group in Rwanda/Congo says that the agreement signed does not apply to them.)

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                    Africa is getting peacefully quiet now that about a million folks have died due to the abrupt US AID withdrawal. Plus there is peaceful DC thanks to the machine guns and mine resistant vehicles.

                    You wonder if folks remember this is about promoting fraternity between nations and reduction of armies... The Sudanese ERR is really a remarkable story and model for the world, although I'd argue they are a bit more on the humanitarian side than the "promotion of peace" side: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Response_Rooms

                    All of that being said, I could see it being Trump. Indeed the US has brokered a number of initial agreements between conflicting nations. While one could argue that the agreements were coerced from a heavy, threatening, tariff-loving, orange hand, it nonetheless has occurred and is a good argument for Trump being awarded the prize for peace, his "I'll end the Ukraine war in one day" epic failure and his "shoot priests with rubber bullets from the roof in Portland" notwithstanding, of course.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      #35

                      I have it on good authority that it was a minister who they shot, not a priest.

                      Hater.

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                            #38

                            Trump is at 3% on polymarket. (Machado, for those unfamiliar, is the opposition leader in Venezuela)

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                            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                              Venezuelan politician Maria Corina Machado wins Nobel Peace Prize

                              What did the bookmakers say? Long shot? How much would I have made betting on her….

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
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                                You buried the lede, Bach.

                                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  I put the word ‘effectively’ in there lest someone thinks the Congress who’s afraid to be in session lest they pass a discharge petition on the Epstein files actually issued a declaration of war.

                                  jon-nycJ Online
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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  said in Nobel Peace Prize Laureate is….:

                                  I put the word ‘effectively’ in there lest someone thinks the Congress who’s afraid to be in session lest they pass a discharge petition on the Epstein files …...

                                  I just read the Johnson has had the House in session exactly 14 days since July 25th.

                                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                    I'm guessing Trump will claim the voting was rigged.

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                                      I hope he is truly saddened when he finds out. I hope it reopens all the wounds he has about never being accepted by the cool kids.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                        Oh yeah, so cool.

                                        The Brad

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                                          I’ve been thinking about next year. I think his best shot is to start a whole bunch of little wars. Push the world to the brink of WW3, then step in at the very point of no return and stop the war. That should get him the recognition that he so richly deserves…

                                          The Brad

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