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Data centers and AI gobbling electricity

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    Who has data centers in which states ...

    Virginia: Amazon/AWS, Microsoft/Azure, Alphabet/Google, Meta/Facebook (and presumably many US government departments due to proximity to the national capital)
    Oregon: Amazon/AWS, Alphabet/Google, Meta/Facebook
    Iowa: Microsoft/Azure, Alphabet/Google, Meta/Facebook

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      These data centers quite large, right? (by square area). Maybe they can require them to cover their roofs with solar panels to help offset some of the electricity.

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
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        Not a great idea in VA, OR or IA. Fine idea in AZ, NM, UT, CA.

        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          These data centers quite large, right? (by square area). Maybe they can require them to cover their roofs with solar panels to help offset some of the electricity.

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          @taiwan_girl said in Data centers and AI gobbling electricity:

          These data centers quite large, right? (by square area).

          In the era of hyperscale AI and machine learning, data center sizes are expressed in “Gigawatts” rather than square area.

          Maybe they can require them to cover their roofs with solar panels to help offset some of the electricity.

          The data center owners/operators are already incentivized by the underlying economics to put up solar panels. I don’t believe a government mandate is needed for that. In any case, covering the data centers’ roofs with solar panels will most likely not generate enough power for today’s data centers.

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
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            Not even close. Might handle the climate control.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • 89th8 Online
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              Doubtful. Look at the roof of the data center, nothing but AC units, and backup generators outside. MASSIVE power hogs.

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                They also tend to grow vertically, not horizontally.

                A very real problem that’s arisen is farmland in WV being bought by the hectare, converted to solar farms, and every bit of energy going to these data centers

                The Brad

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  Bezos says the will be built in space - orbital DCs.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/jeff-bezos-makes-wild-prediction-about-data-centers-as-energy-demand-grows/ar-AA1NOpkg

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Not any crazier than the Dyson Sphere.

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      That’s a high bar

                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      • AxtremusA Offline
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                        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/technology/openai-amd-chips.html

                        Over several years, OpenAI plans to deploy enough AMD chips to consume 6 gigawatts of power, an amount that could supply all the households in Massachusetts. As part of its recent agreement with Nvidia, OpenAI agreed to deploy enough to consume 10 gigawatts.

                        On the financing side, OpenAI has big plan to build many data centers that will cost lots of money. But OpenAI does not have all that money, so it's striking deals left and right to get the chip makers to fund its capital projects. (E.g., promise to buy $100B of Nvidia chips and allow Nvidia to invest $100B in OpenAI.)

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          Not any crazier than the Dyson Sphere.

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                          @Axtremus said in Data centers and AI gobbling electricity:

                          Not any crazier than the Dyson Sphere.

                          Isn't that a type of vacuum cleaner?

                          I was only joking

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            Yes, actually. Hoovering up energy from a star.

                            Also constructing one is probably an AI-proof job at least for the foreseeable future.

                            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                              Or @Doctor-Phibes may have been thinking about the Dyson Ball. 🙂

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                                Source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-top-25-countries-with-the-most-data-centers/

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