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Chase defrauded

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    It's astonishing that a sane and intelligent person thought they could get away with that. Makes me wonder whether it was actually possible to get away with, and whether it's actually possible that people have gotten away with this stuff. Would it have been possible to grow into the fictitious numbers, and avoid all scrutiny? Was that the hope? I guess so. I think that's more likely than sheer crazy stupidity.

    I'm sure someone got fired for JPM's due diligence faceplant.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • MikM Away
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      One would hope. But you don’t know what at Chase was in on it.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        @Horace wrote:

        It's astonishing that a sane and intelligent person thought they could get away with that. ... Would it have been possible to grow into the fictitious numbers, and avoid all scrutiny?

        In the Silicon Valley startup scene, it's not uncommon to hear business leaders say out loud "we'll fake it 'til we make it" and believe in it, and they are all sane and intelligent.

        Chances are, they are people who have initially faked it and then actually made it, else it would not be as common a rallying cry in the startup circle.

        Maybe we tweak the definition a bit and say "getting caught does not count as having made it"?

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          Then again, "faking it" in demos and slideware is not the same as "faking it" in formal business filings and legal documents. 🤷

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            Yeah this plot was on Silicon Valley (great show) as well as Succession (great show).

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              Then again, "faking it" in demos and slideware is not the same as "faking it" in formal business filings and legal documents. 🤷

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              @Axtremus said in Chase defrauded:

              Then again, "faking it" in demos and slideware is not the same as "faking it" in formal business filings and legal documents. 🤷

              Probably doesn't mean to commit felonies.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • 89th8 89th

                Yeah this plot was on Silicon Valley (great show) as well as Succession (great show).

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                @89th said in Chase defrauded:

                Yeah this plot was on Silicon Valley (great show) as well as Succession (great show).

                Just got to season 3. That's my treadmill show. That actor who plays Kendall is excellent.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  Yeah I first noticed him in The Big Short (for me, it's a movie I could watch clips from all the time), glad to see he got such a good role in Succession. It's not a spoiler but to me, he holds the entire show together on his shoulders.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    It's astonishing that a sane and intelligent person thought they could get away with that. Makes me wonder whether it was actually possible to get away with, and whether it's actually possible that people have gotten away with this stuff. Would it have been possible to grow into the fictitious numbers, and avoid all scrutiny? Was that the hope? I guess so. I think that's more likely than sheer crazy stupidity.

                    I'm sure someone got fired for JPM's due diligence faceplant.

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                    @Horace said in Chase defrauded:

                    It's astonishing that a sane and intelligent person thought they could get away with that.

                    My thoughts exactly.

                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      Some more background

                      https://fortune.com/2025/10/01/charlie-javice-frank-jpmorgan-chase-fraud-prison-sentencing-speech/

                      Charlie Javice, the 33-year-old entrepreneur who once promised to revolutionize college financial-aid applications, tearfully apologized to JPMorgan Chase, its shareholders, her friends and family, and former employees of her startup, Frank, as she was sentenced to just over seven years in prison on Monday for orchestrating a $175 million fraud.

                      “Not a day passes that I do not feel profound remorse,” Javice said through tears before U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein in Manhattan federal court. Standing to address the court, she said she was “haunted that my failure has transformed something meaningful into something infamous” and admitted to making “a choice that I will spend my entire life regretting.”

                      The sentencing marks a dramatic fall from grace for Javice, who once graced Forbes’ “30 Under 30” list in 2019 and was celebrated as a rising star in financial technology. Her startup Frank, founded in 2017, was designed to simplify the complex process of filling out the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) for college students seeking financial assistance.

                      JPMorgan Chase acquired Frank in September 2021 for $175 million, believing the platform served more than 4 million students across 6,000 higher education institutions. However, prosecutors proved that Javice had fabricated the vast majority of those customers, with the actual number being fewer than 300,000.

                      The deception unraveled when JPMorgan attempted to market its banking products to Frank’s supposed customer base. When the bank sent marketing emails to 400,000 purported Frank customers, approximately 70% bounced back as undeliverable. The bank’s investigation revealed that Javice had enlisted the help of a data science professor, paying him $18,000 to create fake customer data.

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