Woke right vs woke left
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We have all seen plenty of examples where black man killing white victim is barely mentioned by the national media, while white man killing black victim is The Story of the Month.
Well, what if the Michigan church shooter had been a purple-haired progressive? Or confused about his sex?
Do you think it would have escaped the eagle eyes of JD Vance or Pam Bondi? Do you think Fox News would have something to say?
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We have all seen plenty of examples where black man killing white victim is barely mentioned by the national media, while white man killing black victim is The Story of the Month.
Well, what if the Michigan church shooter had been a purple-haired progressive? Or confused about his sex?
Do you think it would have escaped the eagle eyes of JD Vance or Pam Bondi? Do you think Fox News would have something to say?
@jon-nyc said in Woke right vs woke left:
We have all seen plenty of examples where black man killing white victim is barely mentioned by the national media, while white man killing black victim is The Story of the Month.
Well, what if the Michigan church shooter had been a purple-haired progressive? Or confused about his sex?
Do you think it would have escaped the eagle eyes of JD Vance or Pam Bondi? Do you think Fox News would have something to say?
I noticed this yesterday, myself. I was even going to post a thread about it but had a busy day and lost track.
What made it particularly noticeable to me was the way the outrage mob was initially all over this on Sunday morning and then completely disappeared without another word spoken.
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I listened to Ben Shapiro's show a couple days ago where he admitted that the Comey indictment is all but sure to be a faceplant for the Trump administration. He spoke to the need for the next GOP administration to be less vindictive, even though the current administration's vengeance has been fully earned by the Dems. I fully expect the next GOP administration to be toned down and more adult. Trump is a once in a lifetime sort of figure, or so I imagine.
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Yeah my thoughts too. Whether it's Vance or Newsom, it won't be back to the Obama/Bush/Clinton levels of respect for the office and diplomacy, but it sure will be toned back from the 9/10 insanity volume we have now, back to maybe a 2/10 on the old amp. Insert "this one goes to 11" viral clip.
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Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Someone has to rise above. Sadly, Trump never will.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Someone has to rise above. Sadly, Trump never will.
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@Mik said in Woke right vs woke left:
Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned, …
Really? You may have a few specific cases in mind but I doubt that is generally true.
@Axtremus said in Woke right vs woke left:
@Mik said in Woke right vs woke left:
Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned, …
Really? You may have a few specific cases in mind but I doubt that is generally true.
Wow… Masturbating to the old WaPo really does make you go blind.
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Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned, but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Someone has to rise above. Sadly, Trump never will.
@Mik said in Woke right vs woke left:
Yes, the vengeance is deserved and well earned
This level of petulance and vengeance is absolutely not warranted. I suppose he was inspired by Michelle Obama's idea, except "when they go low, we go LOWER". It's a race to the bottom, and for once Trump is #winning
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It’s far from clear to me that Comey, Lisa Cook, Chris Krebs, Bolton, and all the FBi agents and DoJ employees that worked on his criminal cases “earned” their treatment.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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Politics by useful anecdote is timeless. Tribal excitement over useful anecdotes that support a political point is timeless. Which definition of woke are we using to call that woke?
@Horace said in Woke right vs woke left:
Politics by useful anecdote is timeless. Tribal excitement over useful anecdotes that support a political point is timeless. Which definition of woke are we using to call that woke?
James Lindsey has the best exposition on the topic. It’s a lot to read -though ChatGPT can summarize it for you.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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The parallel is pretty deep.
Just like the woke left were told by their media that white killing of blacks was endemic, and their media never shared the data that showed the opposite is a far bigger problem, the right wing media has amplified a similar fiction about left-wing violence, and would never share the data that showed right wing domestic terrorism has been far worse.
Indeed, the FBI/DoJ took the data off their site shortly after the Kirk murder.
If you don't take it, it can only good happen.
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It’s far from clear to me that Comey, Lisa Cook, Chris Krebs, Bolton, and all the FBi agents and DoJ employees that worked on his criminal cases “earned” their treatment.
@jon-nyc said in Woke right vs woke left:
It’s far from clear to me that Comey, Lisa Cook, Chris Krebs, Bolton, and all the FBi agents and DoJ employees that worked on his criminal cases “earned” their treatment.
And that's just some of the first names that come to mind. Here's the "very low ratings" ABC news list: https://abcnews.go.com/US/list-individuals-including-lisa-cook-targeted-trump-administration/story?id=124968309
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@Horace said in Woke right vs woke left:
Politics by useful anecdote is timeless. Tribal excitement over useful anecdotes that support a political point is timeless. Which definition of woke are we using to call that woke?
James Lindsey has the best exposition on the topic. It’s a lot to read -though ChatGPT can summarize it for you.
@jon-nyc said in Woke right vs woke left:
@Horace said in Woke right vs woke left:
Politics by useful anecdote is timeless. Tribal excitement over useful anecdotes that support a political point is timeless. Which definition of woke are we using to call that woke?
James Lindsey has the best exposition on the topic. It’s a lot to read -though ChatGPT can summarize it for you.
Definitions cannot be long expositions that take a lot of reading. The claim was that certain behavior fit under the umbrella of woke, the question was, what is the definition of woke for that umbrella.
I have listened to Lindsey try to explain the parallel, and came up ambivalent.
Zoom out far enough and any human behavior can seem the same, and you could probably find wokeness in the Bible. But I would have hoped that "woke" is more specific than timeless psychological tribalism or whatever else Lindey leans into for his analogy. It really does depend, 100%, on the definition of "woke" one is using. If one's definition of "woke" is a hand waved definition of general timeless human behavior, then throw away the term.
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It’s far from clear to me that Comey, Lisa Cook, Chris Krebs, Bolton, and all the FBi agents and DoJ employees that worked on his criminal cases “earned” their treatment.
@jon-nyc said in Woke right vs woke left:
It’s far from clear to me that Comey, Lisa Cook, Chris Krebs, Bolton, and all the FBi agents and DoJ employees that worked on his criminal cases “earned” their treatment.
As it is far from clear that the host of conservatives targeted during and after the first Trump administration deserved it as well.
Scorched earth politics does not serve us well.
