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Hey 89! And Brenda!

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

    It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

    It seems obvious that the damage the mentally deranged could do without ready access to guns would be much less. How many people could the Vegas shooter have killed with a knife?

    It’s more accurate to say ‘guns are a big part of the problem but, given our actually existing political system, won’t be a big part of the solution, if there is any’.

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    @jon-nyc said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

    @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

    It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

    It seems obvious that the damage the mentally deranged could do without ready access to guns would be much less. How many people could the Vegas shooter have killed with a knife?

    It’s more accurate to say ‘guns are a big part of the problem but, given our actually existing political system, won’t be a big part of the solution, if there is any’.

    Fair enough. I guess the first example in my head is someone could just take a car and plow into any crowd in any city and take out like 20 people. Easy.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

      It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

      The question we're bound to ask is why this seems to happen so much more often in the USA than in other comparable countries. What is it that's different here?

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      @Doctor-Phibes said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

      @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

      It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

      The question we're bound to ask is why this seems to happen so much more often in the USA than in other comparable countries. What is it that's different here?

      Probably a combination of all of these and more. Who knows.

      • Access to guns (I don't have a problem with the 2nd amendment, but also wouldn't have a problem making access to guns require a license to include training and mental health checks...
      • News that loves to cover these events, share manifestos, and make the killer's name/face famous, for clicks/views....thereby letting folks with issues know that's an option now if they want to go out in a blaze of infamy (ever since Columbine in 1999, really)
      • Decline in traditional values
      • A culture that unfortunately breeds loneliness and disfunction

      The USA is also a massive melting pot and relatively young country. Other countries like Japan or Singapore or Sweden (etc......) have comparatively homogenous cultures and values.

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        It sucks, but this will happen again and again. It's extremely unlikely to happen to you (again...100x more likely to get hurt driving to school than at school). Improved mental health programs and increased rigor on who can purchase or carry a gun, that'll help. But America is still the wild west compared to many countries. Add in a much larger country (many more schools, many people people, much larger geography)... it'll happen again. Sucks.

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

          It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

          The question we're bound to ask is why this seems to happen so much more often in the USA than in other comparable countries. What is it that's different here?

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

          @89th said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

          It's cliche, but I still don't think guns are the problem, it's all mental health. So many warning signs, almost each time there is a shooting.

          The question we're bound to ask is why this seems to happen so much more often in the USA than in other comparable countries. What is it that's different here?

          A lot of it is culture, and the things that @89th points out,

          Culture is the same reason why in Taiwan, Japan, Korea, etc., I could leave my phone and/or computer on the table of a coffee shop and walk away for 30 minutes or more and be (close to) 100% sure that it will be there when I return.

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            Damn this is hard to watch.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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              Poorly written article but in a note he seems to have regretted turning trans, blamed ‘brainwashing’ and had anger about the way his mother handled it while admitting she was right.

              Seems she told him he would regret it someday, that day came, but he resented her before being right all along.

              Then, oddly, he tells his parents “I’ve kept those traits of empathy, self-sacrifice, and good character. Please do not think you have failed as parents.”

              https://nypost.com/2025/08/29/us-news/minneapolis-gunman-robin-westman-blamed-massacre-on-mom-warning-him-not-to-change-gender-and-discouraged-people-from-letting-their-kids-transition/

              Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                Man, did he ever poke the hornet's nest. This will be trotted out by both sides of the issue with wildly different interpretations. It may even expose a side we have not heard of.

                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  They’ve removed the paragraphs and pictures that identified the male as a male.

                  They don’t use ‘she’ yet. No pronouns yet. the shooter this, the shooter that.

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                  @jon-nyc said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

                  They’ve removed the paragraphs and pictures that identified the male as a male.

                  They don’t use ‘she’ yet. No pronouns yet. the shooter this, the shooter that.

                  They edited the article to use ‘she’. All is right with the world.

                  Surprisingly, there’s still a paragraph indicating that he’s trans. I would have thought the activist community would have convinced them that it is totally irrelevant and they should remove it.

                  No picture of the shooter. Not in WaPo either.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    Good. Don’t glorify them

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Man, did he ever poke the hornet's nest. This will be trotted out by both sides of the issue with wildly different interpretations. It may even expose a side we have not heard of.

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                      @Mik said in Hey 89! And Brenda!:

                      Man, did he ever poke the hornet's nest. This will be trotted out by both sides of the issue with wildly different interpretations. It may even expose a side we have not heard of.

                      'Bout time it was poked--this was not the way, though. Dead kids are never the answer, but it seems that's the way they want it.

                      Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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                        I support their right to live and dress as they please. But do not expect me to believe it or pretend with them to believe it.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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