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This week in lawfare

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  • HoraceH Horace

    @Doctor-Phibes said in This week in lawfare:

    @Horace said in This week in lawfare:

    The weight of online punditry that's come across my feed seems to think the Bolton indictment is pretty serious.

    Well I've certainly been wrong many times before, although admittedly I look at an awful lot less online punditry than most people.

    I forgive you for not being in tune with online punditry, but I'm not sure what your assumptions about the Bolton case are based on, other than "if Trump did it, it's stupid".

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    @Horace said in This week in lawfare:

    I forgive you for not being in tune with online punditry, but I'm not sure what your assumptions about the Bolton case are based on, other than "if Trump did it, it's stupid".

    It's been a pretty reliable method for predictions thus far.

    My assumption is mainly based on the fact that I'd be a little surprised if somebody as smart as Bolton would set himself up for this. Obviously coupled with Trumps history of vindictive and petty behaviour, which nobody is likely to deny.

    I was only joking

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      Apparently, this investigation started under Biden. Or so the guy at my first link says.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Apparently, this investigation started under Biden. Or so the guy at my first link says.

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        @Horace said in This week in lawfare:

        Apparently, this investigation started under Biden. Or so the guy at my first link says.

        The reason I don't watch much online punditry (other than having other things I'd rather do) is that most of them pull this kind of stuff out of their arses. Given time and inclination I'm sure I could find some other self-appointed experts who hold the opposite view.

        We shall see.

        I was only joking

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          @Horace said in This week in lawfare:

          Apparently, this investigation started under Biden. Or so the guy at my first link says.

          The reason I don't watch much online punditry (other than having other things I'd rather do) is that most of them pull this kind of stuff out of their arses. Given time and inclination I'm sure I could find some other self-appointed experts who hold the opposite view.

          We shall see.

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          @Doctor-Phibes said in This week in lawfare:

          @Horace said in This week in lawfare:

          Apparently, this investigation started under Biden. Or so the guy at my first link says.

          The reason I don't watch much online punditry (other than having other things I'd rather do) is that most of them pull this kind of stuff out of their arses. Given time and inclination I'm sure I could find some other self-appointed experts who hold the opposite view.

          We shall see.

          He was referencing a NYT piece when he said it. Which of course he could still be pulling out of his ass. My confidence that he wasn't pulling it out of his ass, exceeds my confidence that Bolton is too smart to be guilty of what he is accused of in the indictment.

          Education is extremely important.

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            He didn't say the investigation started under biden, he said it accelerated under biden. It started under Trump 1.0.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Horace
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              Link to video

              Education is extremely important.

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                Trump ordered Bondi to investigate Democrats who were mentioned in the Epstein emails.

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                  Luckily Bondi is someone who will keep Trump in check.

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                    Yeah I’m sure she’ll do the right thing when he wants to confiscate ballot boxes in 2026 and/or 2028.

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      Mistakes were made.

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                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                        Things happen.

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                          What exactly does that mean? That Halligan has a revised and improved charging document, but the earlier version was still good enough for the grand jury? This is a dunk how? Or maybe it just smells like a dunk, and that’s good enough.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            You bring to court the charges actually approved by the grand jury, not pull a switcheroo and bring to court some other charges not approved by the grand jury.

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                              Well I haven't done a bit of research on this particular dunk, and just to keep things interesting, I won't. But I just bet that she won't be bringing charges that weren't approved by the grand jury. I also bet that you haven't done any research about this story, and neither has jon. You just love the screenshot, suspiciously link-free. I am sure this link-free graphic is how it appeared on jon's Twitter feed. Such a great dunk. Just look at how Ax reads it. Apparently Comey is going to be charged with murder 1, or something. Because TDS.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                I suspect this is a technicality and not uncommon. That's a current problem, that the opposition will seize on something that sounds bad but is in fact mundane.

                                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  I heard about the story this morning on a podcast. Halligan created a new charging document which differed only by removing the unaccepted charges. Then the foreperson and one other juror were shown the new document, and the foreperson signed it. It's unclear whether the foreperson knew the document was not the exact one considered by the full jury, but there's no intent to deceive here in any case. It was a clerical error. Halligan's lack of experience probably mattered.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    As I said. Nothingburger.

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      Since Comey is so sure about his factual innocence, he should hope this technicality is not used to get the case dismissed. If he's interested in virtue maxing.

                                      But I suspect Comey is not actually all that sure of factual innocence.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

                                        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                                          The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in This week in lawfare:

                                          The legal commentators I’ve read are pretty damn sure. I assume he’d rather have it dismissed and not pay six figures more for a jury trial.

                                          Small price to pay for a guy who wrote "A Higher Loyalty", or whatever his book was called which dripped with sanctimony. He should probably put his money where his mouth is, and establish how factually innocent he really is. Maybe it'll cost him some small fraction of his profits from his clout-chasing book, profits enabled by the cultural phenomenon that is Trump.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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