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Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity

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    Horace
    wrote on 14 May 2025, 00:28 last edited by
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    Saw this on my neighborhood facebook page, in response to a question about how people can afford pools, because loans are so hard to get:

    I negotiated with an investor to pay it off in full and then I pay the investor monthly, so it kills the interest and don’t have to take out a pool loan.

    There must be a key to how that's not a loan, and that key must explain how tariffs work. It is the missing piece of the puzzle.

    Education is extremely important.

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 14 May 2025, 01:25 last edited by
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      The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

      The Brad

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        Mik
        wrote on 14 May 2025, 01:42 last edited by
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        Now replace investor with sucker and pay him to pretend to pay him.

        Say….that kinda works.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          blondie
          wrote on 14 May 2025, 03:15 last edited by
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          Sounds like the investor could be grandma, swimming in cash and shortly into heaven, & the pool owner is written up gaining in her will.

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          • L LuFins Dad
            14 May 2025, 01:25

            The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

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            Horace
            wrote on 14 May 2025, 14:07 last edited by
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            @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

            The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

            She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 14 May 2025, 14:17 last edited by
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              Reminds me of Murabaha, aka Islamic Finance. The bank purchases an asset and sells it to the client at a markup, paid in installments, but it's definitely not a loan. Because that would be forbidden.

              At CS our Emerging Markets Fixed income desk had a Murabaha trading book.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Renauda
                wrote on 14 May 2025, 14:33 last edited by
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                A “rent to own” scheme.

                Elbows up!

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                • H Horace
                  14 May 2025, 14:07

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                  The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

                  She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 14 May 2025, 15:04 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                  She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising.

                  She's not the same person that had those fake massive hooters and got into a big redneck-style argument over something or other I can't remember, is she?

                  I was only joking

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    14 May 2025, 15:04

                    @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                    She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising.

                    She's not the same person that had those fake massive hooters and got into a big redneck-style argument over something or other I can't remember, is she?

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 14 May 2025, 15:20 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                    @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                    She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising.

                    She's not the same person that had those fake massive hooters and got into a big redneck-style argument over something or other I can't remember, is she?

                    Nope.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      blondie
                      wrote on 14 May 2025, 15:33 last edited by
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                      Duh! :blondie smacks her head: .. that kind of pool . I do feel rather stupid now.

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                      • B blondie
                        14 May 2025, 15:33

                        Duh! :blondie smacks her head: .. that kind of pool . I do feel rather stupid now.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 14 May 2025, 15:45 last edited by
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                        @blondie said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                        Duh! :blondie smacks her head: .. that kind of pool . I do feel rather stupid now.

                        Think of it as an outdoor skating rink that thawed. Permanently.

                        The Brad

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                        • H Horace
                          14 May 2025, 14:07

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                          The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

                          She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 14 May 2025, 15:47 last edited by
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                          @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                          The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

                          She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

                          Oh, so not in a career that needs to understand the nature of lenders, collateral, and payments. Got it.

                          The Brad

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                          • L LuFins Dad
                            14 May 2025, 15:47

                            @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                            The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

                            She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

                            Oh, so not in a career that needs to understand the nature of lenders, collateral, and payments. Got it.

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 14 May 2025, 16:59 last edited by
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                            @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                            The fascinating part? That person’s likely an executive with some sort m of decision making.responsibility…

                            She's actually a real estate agent who uses that neighborhood facebook page for lots of her networking and advertising. I guess her clients are told the story of the easy no-loan pool that you pay for over time, but definitely without a loan.

                            Oh, so not in a career that needs to understand the nature of lenders, collateral, and payments. Got it.

                            I guess she mostly understands stories she can tell to convince people to sign contracts that tie them to things such as lenders, collateral, and payments. But those things are nuisances to her stories, and she probably doesn't talk or think about them much.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 14 May 2025, 21:58 last edited by
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                              In other parts of the thread, people are talking about how they financed their own pool. One borrowed most, and raided their retirement savings for a downpayment. I guess they really like pools.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 14 May 2025, 22:11 last edited by
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                                At least they can use them most of the year. What I don’t get is people who put them in up here.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  14 May 2025, 14:17

                                  Reminds me of Murabaha, aka Islamic Finance. The bank purchases an asset and sells it to the client at a markup, paid in installments, but it's definitely not a loan. Because that would be forbidden.

                                  At CS our Emerging Markets Fixed income desk had a Murabaha trading book.

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 15 May 2025, 17:47 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                  Reminds me of Murabaha, aka Islamic Finance. The bank purchases an asset and sells it to the client at a markup, paid in installments, but it's definitely not a loan. Because that would be forbidden.

                                  At CS our Emerging Markets Fixed income desk had a Murabaha trading book.

                                  My chase credit card has a "pay over time" program available for every purchase over $100. There's no "loan", or "interest", but the payments add up to more than the original price, because of "fees". Those fees are 5.5%, if paid off over a year.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    14 May 2025, 22:11

                                    At least they can use them most of the year. What I don’t get is people who put them in up here.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 15 May 2025, 20:27 last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                    At least they can use them most of the year. What I don’t get is people who put them in up here.

                                    An expensive three weeks for sure.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • H Horace
                                      15 May 2025, 17:47

                                      @jon-nyc said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                      Reminds me of Murabaha, aka Islamic Finance. The bank purchases an asset and sells it to the client at a markup, paid in installments, but it's definitely not a loan. Because that would be forbidden.

                                      At CS our Emerging Markets Fixed income desk had a Murabaha trading book.

                                      My chase credit card has a "pay over time" program available for every purchase over $100. There's no "loan", or "interest", but the payments add up to more than the original price, because of "fees". Those fees are 5.5%, if paid off over a year.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 15 May 2025, 20:28 last edited by
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                                      @Horace said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                      My chase credit card has a "pay over time" program available for every purchase over $100. There's no "loan", or "interest", but the payments add up to more than the original price, because of "fees". Those fees are 5.5%, if paid off over a year.

                                      Yeah, we have pretty hefty credit card bills because pretty much everything goes on them, so they're always offering these options to us.

                                      No thanks. If you can't pay it off at the end of the month you can't afford it.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • M Mik
                                        15 May 2025, 20:27

                                        @jon-nyc said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                        At least they can use them most of the year. What I don’t get is people who put them in up here.

                                        An expensive three weeks for sure.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 15 May 2025, 20:59 last edited by
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                                        @Mik said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                        @jon-nyc said in Maybe this person can explain how tariffs increase prosperity:

                                        At least they can use them most of the year. What I don’t get is people who put them in up here.

                                        An expensive three weeks for sure.

                                        When we were moving up here 12 years ago, the realtor showed me a house with a pool. I said I wasn’t interested because I had to pay for it three times. Once in the purchase price, once to get it filled in, and again with higher taxes that come with the pool.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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