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  • 89th8 Offline
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    Random thought before I go to bed. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. I bought my home in 2009 for $250,000, it has since gone up in value $100,000 which is awesome, right? Except in those 11 years I have paid over $90,000 in interest on a 30-year mortgage. (Had 4.5%, refinanced to 3.75% in 2012). Aka, broke even.

    Yes, we will buy (not rent) when we move to Minnesota next year (I plan on getting a 15-year mortgage, and staying there for 20-30 years), but still........ the value of my home went up 40% in 11 years (many are not so lucky!) yet I am essentially breaking even. In other words, I could've rented the whole time and it would've been the same.

    WAIT (no, I'm not going to go back and edit my previous words, I stand by my oversight) I realized what I'm missing. To rent my current home would be about 25-50% more per month than the monthly interest on the mortgage payment. Added up, renting (at $1,900/mo) would've cost me $250,000 over the 11 years whereas with the mortgage I'm basically spending $0 and, had my home not gone up in value, would've only spent $90,000 compared to the $250,000.

    I hope you enjoyed this pointless post.

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      Yeah. “You made nothing” means you spent nothing. You lived for free. (Well maybe not with maintenance and all, but still)

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Are you including your Condo or HOA fees? Homeowners insurance? I take it that you haven’t had any major expenses such as a new roof or HVAC system? Oh, don’t forget to add your property taxes...

        Yes, owning is ultimately better than renting, but it is a closer thing than most realize.

        The Brad

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          The mortgage deduction going away under Trump's new tax plan (assuming the standard deduction is better) changes things substantially. But that is a case by case basis.

          Education is extremely important.

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            The mortgage deduction going away under Trump's new tax plan (assuming the standard deduction is better) changes things substantially. But that is a case by case basis.

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            @Horace said in Home: Buying vs Renting:

            The mortgage deduction going away under Trump's new tax plan (assuming the standard deduction is better) changes things substantially. But that is a case by case basis.

            I ran the numbers and was coming up with a $500,000 mortgage being the threshold for most people...

            The Brad

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            • 89th8 89th

              Random thought before I go to bed. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. I bought my home in 2009 for $250,000, it has since gone up in value $100,000 which is awesome, right? Except in those 11 years I have paid over $90,000 in interest on a 30-year mortgage. (Had 4.5%, refinanced to 3.75% in 2012). Aka, broke even.

              Yes, we will buy (not rent) when we move to Minnesota next year (I plan on getting a 15-year mortgage, and staying there for 20-30 years), but still........ the value of my home went up 40% in 11 years (many are not so lucky!) yet I am essentially breaking even. In other words, I could've rented the whole time and it would've been the same.

              WAIT (no, I'm not going to go back and edit my previous words, I stand by my oversight) I realized what I'm missing. To rent my current home would be about 25-50% more per month than the monthly interest on the mortgage payment. Added up, renting (at $1,900/mo) would've cost me $250,000 over the 11 years whereas with the mortgage I'm basically spending $0 and, had my home not gone up in value, would've only spent $90,000 compared to the $250,000.

              I hope you enjoyed this pointless post.

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              @89th great time to buy

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                Are you including your Condo or HOA fees? Homeowners insurance? I take it that you haven’t had any major expenses such as a new roof or HVAC system? Oh, don’t forget to add your property taxes...

                Yes, owning is ultimately better than renting, but it is a closer thing than most realize.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Home: Buying vs Renting:

                Are you including your Condo or HOA fees? Homeowners insurance? I take it that you haven’t had any major expenses such as a new roof or HVAC system? Oh, don’t forget to add your property taxes...

                Yes, owning is ultimately better than renting, but it is a closer thing than most realize.

                Yeah we have condo fees, a total of about $60,000 over 11 years, as well as insurance, taxes, etc. I didn't want to muddy the original post with too many details, but those are 100% relevant. Luckily we haven't had any major work needed.

                And yeah, it's definitely a closer thing than most realize especially if you factor in the "your home value might actually stay the same or go down" over the short/mid term.

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