Trump’s indoor rally

[89th]

@Larry said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@89th said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Larry said in Trump’s indoor rally:

Are you aware that Trump had THREE DIFFERENT OUTDOOR VENUES selected but the democrat governor of the state REFUSED to approve ANY of them, and the reason they were in an indoor facility in the first place was because the democrat governor forced them to have no other choice?

As far as I can tell, this is FAKE NEWS, you should be ashamed of spreading it, unless you can provide evidence that Sisolak "refused to approve...and forced the rally indoors".

• The governor doesn't "approve" the venues
• The governor had nothing to do with those outdoor venues "canceling"
• The outdoor venues "canceled" (did not host) the outdoor events because of the existing mandate against groups with more than 50 people gathering
• The indoor venue at which the Monday event was held, ended up being fined $3,000 for violating the current state mandates

On the flip side, I think it's absolutely ridiculous these events are not allowed and fined when its a political rally, but it's OK when it's a BLM protest.

It's not fake news:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/politics/trump-rally.html

"The decision to hold a rally indoors, officials said, was something of a last resort for a campaign that had tried to procure five different outdoor locations. A Trump campaign official said they all faced pressure from state officials not to host the rally."

Yeah, like I said. All of my points are valid, and your claim that the governor "refused to approve outdoor venues" is false, and fake news. His office had "no involvement or communication with the event organizers or potential hosts regarding the proposed campaign events advertised by the Trump campaign".

[Jolly]

Darling, I wouldn't take the NYT as gospel. Not anymore.

[89th]

I think you're talking to Larry? He quoted it. I was quoting the LV Review Journal.

pwn3d!

[Larry]

@89th said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Larry said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@89th said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Larry said in Trump’s indoor rally:

Are you aware that Trump had THREE DIFFERENT OUTDOOR VENUES selected but the democrat governor of the state REFUSED to approve ANY of them, and the reason they were in an indoor facility in the first place was because the democrat governor forced them to have no other choice?

As far as I can tell, this is FAKE NEWS, you should be ashamed of spreading it, unless you can provide evidence that Sisolak "refused to approve...and forced the rally indoors".

• The governor doesn't "approve" the venues
• The governor had nothing to do with those outdoor venues "canceling"
• The outdoor venues "canceled" (did not host) the outdoor events because of the existing mandate against groups with more than 50 people gathering
• The indoor venue at which the Monday event was held, ended up being fined $3,000 for violating the current state mandates

On the flip side, I think it's absolutely ridiculous these events are not allowed and fined when its a political rally, but it's OK when it's a BLM protest.

It's not fake news:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/14/us/politics/trump-rally.html

"The decision to hold a rally indoors, officials said, was something of a last resort for a campaign that had tried to procure five different outdoor locations. A Trump campaign official said they all faced pressure from state officials not to host the rally."

Yeah, like I said. All of my points are valid, and your claim that the governor "refused to approve outdoor venues" is false, and fake news. His office had "no involvement or communication with the event organizers or potential hosts regarding the proposed campaign events advertised by the Trump campaign".

Is the governor a state official? He is???? Then since it was state officials that stopped the Trump campaign from being able to have access to an outdoor venue, the only fake news here is you playing semantics. Since I refuse to believe you're that stupid, I can only assume that you know better.

[Larry]

Oh - and if you actually believe the governor was not one of the state officials involved in things, then

BAAWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!

[taiwan_girl]

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

And masks may not have prevented a single death.

A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.

The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.

But, it was their decision to make...

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

And masks may not have prevented a single death.

A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.

The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.

But, it was their decision to make...

Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.

Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?

I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

And masks may not have prevented a single death.

A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.

The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.

But, it was their decision to make...

Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.

Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?

I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.

So did the Soviets.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

And masks may not have prevented a single death.

A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.

The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.

But, it was their decision to make...

Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.

Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?

I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.

So did the Soviets.

So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Jolly said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

This is why you wear masks

7 COVID deaths linked to Maine wedding and the seven who died DID NOT EVEN ATTEND THE WEDDING!!

And masks may not have prevented a single death.

A cloth mask is not a panacea or wonder weapon against the corona virus. If so, there wouldn't have been a single case in China after mandatory masking. They do help slow the spread of the disease, as do other measures, such as hand-washing and social distancing.

The people at the wedding made a conscious decision about wearing masks. They probably made the wrong decision.

But, it was their decision to make...

Sorry Jolly, but I disagree. The people who dies were not at the wedding. They didn't have a choice.

Would you be okay if someone decided to drive through a school zone at 100 kph at the time school lets out? Is it okay to drink and drive?

I do believe that sometimes the rights/impact of society in total are more important than the rights of an single individual.

So did the Soviets.

So does everybody. It's what living within a society means.

Sorry, but Americans are not subjects, we are citizens. There is a difference. Sometimes, it's a very messy difference.

Individual rights should mostly trump the rights of the State. Sometimes, that can lead to bad consequences for the individual.

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?

[Rainman]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Jolly so you support the rioters that are destroying building and stuff in the cities?

TG, please don't turn into Ax.
1 is enough.

[Copper]

You can never prove whether a specific mask prevented or failed to prevent anything.

That makes it a terrific topic for tncr.

There is no need to worry about either argument being killed by facts.

Percentages, tendencies, likelihoods, sure. Specific outcomes? No.

[taiwan_girl]

@Rainman lol.

It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“

As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.

The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).

[Copper]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Rainman lol.

part of living in a society is following rules.

Rules that exist because of the consent of the governed.

That consent can change at any time.

[Rainman]

Well, yeah TG. But "following rules" can be an observation about masks and who is or is not wearing them. And then, what the power of government should be.
Personally, I would like the same approach to the Marxist BLM rioters that have destroyed downtown Portland over the past 100+ days. And, I'd like the power of government to do something about it, instead of becoming Marxist sympathisers or too chicken to dare say anything that will bring down the cancel culture wrath of BLM.

Apply rules based upon law. That's somewhat old-fashioned, but it worked well.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl said in Trump’s indoor rally:

@Rainman lol.

It just frustrates me when there is something simple that can be done, and realistically is not that big of a thing to follow, and people start saying “ It’s against my rights“

As John Doh said, part of living in a society is following rules. I may not like or agree with everyone of the rules, but as part of society I need to follow them.

The same people who are complaining about wearing a mask Are usually the same ones that complain about when someone doesn’t follow the rules (kneeling for National song for example).

You can end gun violence if the State executed everyone who has a gun in their posession.

OTOH, this being America, it would more likely be the end of the state.

[Doctor Phibes]

I know you think you're all special, but the same debates are going in other countries too.

Americans don't have a monopoly on being up themselves.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump’s indoor rally:

I know you think you're all special, but the same debates are going in other countries too.

Americans don't have a monopoly on being up themselves.

Yeah, but we're the best at it.