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[jon-nyc]

On most every metric we care about.

[89th]

@Mik said in 400,000:

Clinton had a Congress that did its job.

True but I mean, would congress today not pass legislation Trump asks for as it relates to most of his federal-government wrecking ball ideas? He has until 2027 when the next blue wave takes away that ability.

[Copper]

Sure, Mr. Clinton is good, Mr. Trump is bad.

I get it.

[Mik]

@89th said in 400,000:

@Mik said in 400,000:

Clinton had a Congress that did its job.

True but I mean, would congress today not pass legislation Trump asks for as it relates to most of his federal-government wrecking ball ideas? He has until 2027 when the next blue wave takes away that ability.

Of course they could. But would they? You think these guys want to go home and say they voted to put half a million people out of work?

[xenon]

I don’t know how you’d effectively deregulate and simplify the government.

DOGE seems too blunt, but something like the Grace Commission under Reagan turned out to be toothless.

I dunno…. An ineffective Congress means a government where it’s much easier to add things than take them away.

I guess that makes me slightly more sympathetic to DOGE, in the sense that it’s something.

[jon-nyc]

@Copper said in 400,000:

Sure, Mr. Clinton is good, Mr. Trump is bad.

I get it.

But do you? Really?

[Jolly]

@Mik said in 400,000:

@89th said in 400,000:

@Mik said in 400,000:

Clinton had a Congress that did its job.

True but I mean, would congress today not pass legislation Trump asks for as it relates to most of his federal-government wrecking ball ideas? He has until 2027 when the next blue wave takes away that ability.

Of course they could. But would they? You think these guys want to go home and say they voted to put half a million people out of work?

Think Copper summed it up pretty well ...

[Tom-K]

@Copper said in 400,000:

Sure, Mr. Clinton is good, Mr. Trump is bad.

I get it.

Those were pretty good times in NYC where I was living at the time. The market was great and NY was a PARTY TOWN. It's pretty sad these days.

[xenon]

I had a similar thought. Bill Clinton would look downright conservative by today’s standards.

[Mik]

He didn't start that way, but when Newt's GOP crushed the Democrats in the 94 midterms he just pivoted and very masterfully stole their platform. Didn't call him Slick Willy for nothing.

[Mik]

(I guess they could have called him Hawk Tuah Willy, but that would be ahead of his time)

[xenon]

@Mik said in 400,000:

He didn't start that way, but when Newt's GOP crushed the Democrats in the 94 midterms he just pivoted and very masterfully stole their platform. Didn't call him Slick Willy for nothing.

Carney is doing a similar thing in Canada right now. He’s adopting some of the policy positions from Conservatives and dropping the MAGA overtones.

[jon-nyc]

@Mik said in 400,000:

He didn't start that way, but when Newt's GOP crushed the Democrats in the 94 midterms he just pivoted and very masterfully stole their platform. Didn't call him Slick Willy for nothing.

I don’t know about that. He campaigned in 1992 that he was going to ‘end welfare as we know it’ and put 10k cops on the streets.

[Mik]

He also tried national healthcare.

[Renauda]

@xenon said in 400,000:

@Mik said in 400,000:

He didn't start that way, but when Newt's GOP crushed the Democrats in the 94 midterms he just pivoted and very masterfully stole their platform. Didn't call him Slick Willy for nothing.

Carney is doing a similar thing in Canada right now. He’s adopting some of the policy positions from Conservatives and dropping the MAGA overtones.

He’s moving the Liberal Party back to its traditional place at the centre left and bringing in disillusioned red Tories (Joe Clark PCs) who the Poilievre Conservatives have unceremoniously abandoned

[jon-nyc]

@Mik said in 400,000:

He also tried national healthcare.

So did Nixon.