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It's predictable how conservatives who refuse to take the MAGA pill are suddenly not popular with the MAGA wing (Trump, MTG, Bannon, Hammer, et al). But I'm sure Roberts, GWB, McCain, Romney, Pence, Bolton, Kelly, McMaster, Dick Cheney, Rice, Cohen, Hayden, and others are just wrong about it all.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 15:26 last edited by@89th said in Bondi Speaks:
It's predictable how conservatives who refuse to take the MAGA pill are suddenly not popular with the MAGA wing (Trump, MTG, Bannon, Hammer, et al). But I'm sure Roberts, GWB, McCain, Romney, Pence, Bolton, Kelly, McMaster, Dick Cheney, Rice, Cohen, Hayden, and others are just wrong about it all.
The division is not entirely about whether one does or does not join a cult of personality. There are actual ideas that these people disagree on. There are always internal divisions in all parties. This is not unique to the Republicans.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:30 last edited by
Maybe. I know the GOP (or Conservatism) is a big tent, and perhaps those above are neocons, and the Trump cult are paleocons... still, it seems to me that if you told me 10 years ago that those names above would be "outcasts" to a Republican president, I would've said no way.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:36 last edited by
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:37 last edited by Horace
I've always had an issue with people who are self-selected outliers in their outspoken hatred of Donald Trump, who will include in their list of Trump's faults, what a divisive figure he is. Trump baits people into hating him to be sure, but it's nobody's obligation to take the bait, nor to revel in taking that bait, nor to take as much of the bait as they possibly can, to self-identify as a world champion bait-taker. They think the right side of history is populated by world champion bait-takers.
@89th, your list includes lots of people who go out of their way to let the world know how much they despise Trump. It also includes at least one person, the chief justice, who doesn't actually have any outspoken rift with Trump, from either side of the relationship. Disagreements, but not a personal rift. There may be others on the list who are similar.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:41 last edited by
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
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@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:44 last edited by@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
True, it would be a fun exercise to track the ripple effect back as far as we could go... I love that type of dot-connecting throughout history. Minor, but one could argue Santelli's rant played a part... housing recession and obama = santelli freaking out about a tea party... leads to the tea party movement... leads to the MAGA wing starting to form.
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@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 16:50 last edited by@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
In their previous split with Europe, in 1939, Britain was on the other side from right-wing populism.
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@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 17:34 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
I'm not sure I agree with that. There has long been a great deal of Euroscepticism in the UK, both on the left and the right of the political spectrum. Both Enoch Powell and Tony Benn were highly Eurosceptic, and were good examples of the extremes of 'mainstream' right and left wings respectively quite a long time ago.
Nigel Farage is a populist now, but previously he was much more of a single-issue politician. It feels to me that he has jumped on the Trump populism bandwagon after Brexit with all his talk of Wokeness rather than the other way around.
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@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
True, it would be a fun exercise to track the ripple effect back as far as we could go... I love that type of dot-connecting throughout history. Minor, but one could argue Santelli's rant played a part... housing recession and obama = santelli freaking out about a tea party... leads to the tea party movement... leads to the MAGA wing starting to form.
Link to videowrote on 21 Mar 2025, 18:40 last edited by@89th said in Bondi Speaks:
@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
True, it would be a fun exercise to track the ripple effect back as far as we could go... I love that type of dot-connecting throughout history. Minor, but one could argue Santelli's rant played a part... housing recession and obama = santelli freaking out about a tea party... leads to the tea party movement... leads to the MAGA wing starting to form.
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@Horace said in Bondi Speaks:
@Jolly said in Bondi Speaks:
If you didn't know ten years ago the GOP was changing, you haven't been paying attention.
One of the signposts of the emerging right-wing populism movement over the Western world was Brexit in 2014.
I'm not sure I agree with that. There has long been a great deal of Euroscepticism in the UK, both on the left and the right of the political spectrum. Both Enoch Powell and Tony Benn were highly Eurosceptic, and were good examples of the extremes of 'mainstream' right and left wings respectively quite a long time ago.
Nigel Farage is a populist now, but previously he was much more of a single-issue politician. It feels to me that he has jumped on the Trump populism bandwagon after Brexit with all his talk of Wokeness rather than the other way around.
wrote on 21 Mar 2025, 19:33 last edited by RenaudaBoth Enoch Powell and Tony Benn were highly Eurosceptic….
As was Margaret Thatcher.
As well, Britain had spent much of the preceding four hundred years seeking to keep continental Europe divided so that it could pick and choose its continental allies according its own shifting interests. Hence the pejorative, perfidious Albion.