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I think having a clear set of ideals - at a personal, family, community, country level - is desirable.
It’s really hard to come up with them yourself, and even if you do it’s hard to get others to agree to them.
I don’t like Trump because he’s tearing down norms left, right and center. They can’t be rebuilt. I don’t see much of an upside to this from him that we wouldn’t have gotten from a vanilla republican.
Living up to values is a separate topic from having them. You could say that politicians are phony… but I see a phony politician with high ideals as better than a genuine bastard.
@xenon said in Voice of America:
I think having a clear set of ideals - at a personal, family, community, country level - is desirable.
It’s really hard to come up with them yourself, and even if you do it’s hard to get others to agree to them.
I don’t like Trump because he’s tearing down norms left, right and center. They can’t be rebuilt. I don’t see much of an upside to this from him that we wouldn’t have gotten from a vanilla republican.
Living up to values is a separate topic from having them. You could say that politicians are phony… but I see a phony politician with high ideals as better than a genuine bastard.
A small truth for you...An unelected politician has very, very little actual power.
Name me a GOP politician you think could have effectively challenged Trump?
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It says very little about us that it would have said if the price of eggs had been a few dollars cheaper. We are talking about 1 in 100 people shifting their vote from Biden 2020 to Trump 2024. What does it say about us? Are we letting those 1 in 100 people, who are probably not particularly politically engaged anyway, speak for us? I think people can get way too in their own heads and hearts about how important their feelings are about politics and the world order. A different politician is not more than a few dollars in the price of eggs away, in four years. Then we can continue worrying about how devastating the wake of Trump continues to be, all those norms that can never be reconstructed, while the less politically engaged people notice nothing in their lives that is different with or without these norms.
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Or what it says about you?
I don't think many of the people who voted for Trump thought he hung the moon. They were well aware of his shortcomings.
I think many today do not agree with some of his actions. But Trump is actually doing something. You may not like it, but things are happening...Things he said he would do.
- The Border is much tighter.
- Violent illegal immigrants are being deported.
- The government is being trimmed down.
- Ukraine and Russia have a ceasefire and hopefully, peace.
- The U.S. is supporting Israel and not Hamas.
- We are pursuing a strategy for job creation in material production, energy production and manufacturing. It may not be the right strategy, but at least we are doing something.
- We are trying to return to a less politicized justice system.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I’d take issue with a bunch of things on your list - some more than others - but that’s a different topic.
I think we’re talking about the “how” not the “what”. I’m not a “by any means necessary” sort of guy.
Especially when this is the best positioned country in the world. Americans have a severe lack of perspective and gratitude for what came before them.
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4 and 7 are objectively false.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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How many GOP AUSAs have resigned after being asked to politicize their role? I can think of three off the top of my head. How many threats has Ed Martin made to political adversaries? Did you see what they did to Paul Weiss? Who’s next?
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc said in Voice of America:
4 and 7 are objectively false.
I think we are very close to a ceasefire.
Wasn't there a prisoner exchange today?
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How many GOP AUSAs have resigned after being asked to politicize their role? I can think of three off the top of my head. How many threats has Ed Martin made to political adversaries? Did you see what they did to Paul Weiss? Who’s next?
@jon-nyc said in Voice of America:
How many GOP AUSAs have resigned after being asked to politicize their role? I can think of three off the top of my head. How many threats has Ed Martin made to political adversaries? Did you see what they did to Paul Weiss? Who’s next?
Or did Paul Weiss get what they deserved? Weren't they in the middle of the .Manhattan Madness?
That was a political witchhunt from the get-go.
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Or what it says about you?
I don't think many of the people who voted for Trump thought he hung the moon. They were well aware of his shortcomings.
I think many today do not agree with some of his actions. But Trump is actually doing something. You may not like it, but things are happening...Things he said he would do.
- The Border is much tighter.
- Violent illegal immigrants are being deported.
- The government is being trimmed down.
- Ukraine and Russia have a ceasefire and hopefully, peace.
- The U.S. is supporting Israel and not Hamas.
- We are pursuing a strategy for job creation in material production, energy production and manufacturing. It may not be the right strategy, but at least we are doing something.
- We are trying to return to a less politicized justice system.
@Jolly said in Voice of America:
I think many today do not agree with some of his actions. But Trump is actually doing something. You may not like it, but things are happening.
Too many people who come into a new position think change for change sake is a good thing. Not always the case. See it in companies and organizations alot. People feel they have to justify their new position when the reality is that things will probably not be as good as they claim they WILL be and probably not as bad as they claim things WERE.
Were you in agreement when President Obama made the change to health and started the Affordable Care Act?
