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Khalil gets his own thread

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #1

    Seems like this is diverging from general Columbia news enough to have a dedicated thread.

    FIRE is asking questions.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        I think that the government is using this reason for deporting him and his green card.

        Green card holders who engage in activities deemed threatening to U.S. national security can lose their status. This includes involvement in terrorism, espionage, or other activities that undermine the safety of the United States.

        Examples of Security Violations

        Membership in Terrorist Organizations: Being part of or assisting a terrorist group can lead to immediate revocation and deportation.
        Espionage or Treason: Activities related to spying, intelligence gathering for foreign governments, or attempts to overthrow the government are considered severe violations.

        Consequences: In addition to deportation, individuals accused of such activities may face criminal prosecution and significant legal penalties.

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          #4

          I’ve mostly seen two types of explanations about the arrest. One is very hand wavy and vague about what he actually did, rather it tends to describe what the crowd did and assume his guilt based, I guess, on having commandeered the bullhorn.

          The other points to language in some federal legislation that seems to give the Secretary of State extremely (perhaps overly) broad latitude to declare any non citizen a threat to foreign policy.

          But it’s unclear to me which, if either, of those paths the Feds themselves will use.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
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            #5

            It’s not clear the feds know yet either. They were clearly unprepared when they went in to detain him. They thought he was here on a student visa. When they found out he was on a green card they had to call an audible and get a mid level supervisor on the phone.

            Seems like someone could have checked that before they sent ICE in.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jeannine Pirro pulled the statute and read it on The Five.

              All Rubio has to do is have his staff draw up the papers and sign it. It is a non-judicial, non-reviewable decision.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                jon-nyc
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                #7

                That was my point about perhaps overly broad. I wonder if that legislation has ever been scrutinized by the courts.

                There’s no such thing as non-reviewable legislation.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  Jeannine Pirro pulled the statute and read it on The Five.

                  All Rubio has to do is have his staff draw up the papers and sign it. It is a non-judicial, non-reviewable decision.

                  Tom-KT Offline
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                  @Jolly said in Khalil gets his own thread:

                  Jeannine Pirro pulled the statute and read it on The Five.

                  All Rubio has to do is have his staff draw up the papers and sign it. It is a non-judicial, non-reviewable decision.

                  As it should be. Khalil is here at the pleasure of the American government and people. He's not an American citizen and he isn't covered by any laws the US doesn't want him to have. And this is the same way with any other country--if they decide for whatever reason you are person non grata then you have to go. Nothing special here.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #9

                    FIRE’s take.

                    https://www.thefire.org/news/trump-administrations-reasons-detaining-mahmoud-khalil-threaten-free-speech

                    tl;dr:

                    If constitutionally protected speech may render someone deportable by the secretary of state, the administration has free rein to arrest and detain any non-citizen whose speech the government dislikes. The inherent vagueness of the “adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests” standard does not provide notice as to what speech is or is not prohibited.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      It's not worth the kerfuffle to try to get rid of him, but obviously I can think of better things to worry about than non-citizen residents FAFOing with anti-government protests.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #11

                        Yeah. Seems like they’d be better off deporting actual law breakers and not make any new 1A martyrs.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          So, technically - if someone was pro hamas on this forum (as a green card holder), they’d be about as guilty as this guy?

                          Is there more to it? Did he break other laws? I haven’t really followed this.

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                            They’re not accusing him of breaking any laws.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Read the FIRE piece I linked

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                Adios, Khalil.

                                https://www.npr.org/2025/04/11/nx-s1-5361208/mahmoud-khalil-deported-judge-rubio-antisemitism-immigration-court

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  I have thought of a compromise...We'll let him stay in the country, but he's under house arrest for 60 months, confined to a 15 mile circle around Jena.

                                  Pineywoods rednecks, oilfield workers, loggers and farmers.

                                  He'll fit right in. 😁

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    He ain’t going anywhere anytime soon. He’ll have some appeals.

                                    The judge is right in that as the law is written it’s fine. The real question is the constitutionality of the law itself.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      They can appeal to the Board of Immigration. They can also file for asylum.

                                      The second is a nonstarter. Don't know about the first.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        You can appeal the law itself.

                                        A lower court once found it unconstitutional but since it was a lower court it didn’t set precedent. Judge was Trump’s sister.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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