Khalil gets his own thread

[jon-nyc]

Seems like this is diverging from general Columbia news enough to have a dedicated thread.

FIRE is asking questions.

[jon-nyc]

[taiwan_girl]

I think that the government is using this reason for deporting him and his green card.

Green card holders who engage in activities deemed threatening to U.S. national security can lose their status. This includes involvement in terrorism, espionage, or other activities that undermine the safety of the United States.

Examples of Security Violations

Membership in Terrorist Organizations: Being part of or assisting a terrorist group can lead to immediate revocation and deportation.
Espionage or Treason: Activities related to spying, intelligence gathering for foreign governments, or attempts to overthrow the government are considered severe violations.

Consequences: In addition to deportation, individuals accused of such activities may face criminal prosecution and significant legal penalties.

[jon-nyc]

I’ve mostly seen two types of explanations about the arrest. One is very hand wavy and vague about what he actually did, rather it tends to describe what the crowd did and assume his guilt based, I guess, on having commandeered the bullhorn.

The other points to language in some federal legislation that seems to give the Secretary of State extremely (perhaps overly) broad latitude to declare any non citizen a threat to foreign policy.

But it’s unclear to me which, if either, of those paths the Feds themselves will use.

[jon-nyc]

It’s not clear the feds know yet either. They were clearly unprepared when they went in to detain him. They thought he was here on a student visa. When they found out he was on a green card they had to call an audible and get a mid level supervisor on the phone.

Seems like someone could have checked that before they sent ICE in.

[Jolly]

Jeannine Pirro pulled the statute and read it on The Five.

All Rubio has to do is have his staff draw up the papers and sign it. It is a non-judicial, non-reviewable decision.

[jon-nyc]

That was my point about perhaps overly broad. I wonder if that legislation has ever been scrutinized by the courts.

There’s no such thing as non-reviewable legislation.

[Tom-K]

@Jolly said in Khalil gets his own thread:

Jeannine Pirro pulled the statute and read it on The Five.

All Rubio has to do is have his staff draw up the papers and sign it. It is a non-judicial, non-reviewable decision.

As it should be. Khalil is here at the pleasure of the American government and people. He's not an American citizen and he isn't covered by any laws the US doesn't want him to have. And this is the same way with any other country--if they decide for whatever reason you are person non grata then you have to go. Nothing special here.

[jon-nyc]

FIRE’s take.

https://www.thefire.org/news/trump-administrations-reasons-detaining-mahmoud-khalil-threaten-free-speech

tl;dr:

If constitutionally protected speech may render someone deportable by the secretary of state, the administration has free rein to arrest and detain any non-citizen whose speech the government dislikes. The inherent vagueness of the “adversarial to the foreign policy and national security interests” standard does not provide notice as to what speech is or is not prohibited.

[Horace]

It's not worth the kerfuffle to try to get rid of him, but obviously I can think of better things to worry about than non-citizen residents FAFOing with anti-government protests.

[jon-nyc]

Yeah. Seems like they’d be better off deporting actual law breakers and not make any new 1A martyrs.

[xenon]

So, technically - if someone was pro hamas on this forum (as a green card holder), they’d be about as guilty as this guy?

Is there more to it? Did he break other laws? I haven’t really followed this.

[jon-nyc]

They’re not accusing him of breaking any laws.

[jon-nyc]

Read the FIRE piece I linked