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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 17:14 last edited by
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    https://apple.news/AmDEJcPvdRqG_kF73FuFnJg

    Supreme Court denies Trump administration request to cancel $2 billion in foreign aid
    The Supreme Court in a 5-4 emergency ruling Wednesday refused to halt a judge’s decision ordering the Trump administration to immediately release nearly $2 billion in foreign aid payments owed under existing contracts.
    It hands a loss to the administration in the first time that Trump’s efforts to drastically reshape federal spending, agency by agency, have reached the high court.
    Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Amy Coney Barrett joined with the court’s three liberals to side against the administration.

    The Brad

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 17:44 last edited by taiwan_girl 3 May 2025, 17:46
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      Always interesting when there is a close decision. Nine very smart people, well experienced, but come to opposite conclusions.

      Justice Alito says he was "stunned" decision. But I am sure that the five who voted the other way were just as "stunned" everybody was not in agreement.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 18:59 last edited by
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        Yep, the rumor is that Dems have some compromising material on Robert's.

        As for Barrett, I'm disappointed in several of her rulings.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • J Jolly
          5 Mar 2025, 18:59

          Yep, the rumor is that Dems have some compromising material on Robert's.

          As for Barrett, I'm disappointed in several of her rulings.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 19:06 last edited by
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          @Jolly said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

          Yep, the rumor is that Dems have some compromising material on Robert's.

          Unnamed sources?

          I was only joking

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            Jolly
            wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 19:07 last edited by
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            As always, just like the NYT gets their news...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              5 Mar 2025, 19:07

              As always, just like the NYT gets their news...

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 19:21 last edited by
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              @Jolly said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

              As always, just like the NYT gets their news...

              Well, for all I know it could be your barber said something. I Googled 'compromising material on Roberts', and came up with nothing, so I'm guessing it's not a particularly well-known rumour.

              I was only joking

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 20:53 last edited by
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                I have no problem with the decision. When and if Congress actually passes funding, I think the President does have an obligation to spend it. Now, if it’s general in nature “$10,000,000 for earthquake relief supplies for Botswana” , then the Executive does have latitude in how that $10M is spent. Whether it’s sent through NGOs, a check given to Botswana, or actually acquiring and delivering $10M in relief supplies… If it’s specific, then his latitude is less.

                Going forward, he has the option of vetoing future funding passed by Congress.

                The Brad

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                  5 Mar 2025, 20:53

                  I have no problem with the decision. When and if Congress actually passes funding, I think the President does have an obligation to spend it. Now, if it’s general in nature “$10,000,000 for earthquake relief supplies for Botswana” , then the Executive does have latitude in how that $10M is spent. Whether it’s sent through NGOs, a check given to Botswana, or actually acquiring and delivering $10M in relief supplies… If it’s specific, then his latitude is less.

                  Going forward, he has the option of vetoing future funding passed by Congress.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 5 Mar 2025, 23:25 last edited by Renauda 9 days ago
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                  @LuFins-Dad

                  There was a good presentation on BBC world service this afternoon explaining the decision. Essentially it is the decision of the Court that the US government must fulfill its contractual obligations to pay both domestic and foreign consultants and NGOs for work completed under the terms of awarded USAID projects.

                  In other words Uncle Sam is still obligated to pay its bills just like everybody else.

                  Has nothing to do with project work not yet begun or had been planned for the future that is now postponed or cancelled altogther.

                  Elbows up!

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 01:17 last edited by
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                    Yeah this was money for work already performed under a valid contract. Only Donald Trump would think one doesn’t have to pay that.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      6 Mar 2025, 01:17

                      Yeah this was money for work already performed under a valid contract. Only Donald Trump would think one doesn’t have to pay that.

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 01:18 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

                      Yeah this was money for work already performed under a valid contract. Only Donald Trump would think one doesn’t have to pay that.

                      Maybe Elon Musk, too.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 01:32 last edited by
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                        Fair point.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 02:01 last edited by Renauda 9 days ago
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                          Seems to me I read somewhere ten or so years ago, that the current POTUS has had a bad track record, dating back to when he was in the private sector, of not paying contractors and their subs for work satisfactorily signed off and completed. Not only unfair but also a disgrace.

                          Elbows up!

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                            89th
                            wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 02:22 last edited by
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                            Yes he has a long record of not paying his debts, companies going bankrupt, and using donations from poor folks to pay off fines.

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                              6 Mar 2025, 02:22

                              Yes he has a long record of not paying his debts, companies going bankrupt, and using donations from poor folks to pay off fines.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 02:36 last edited by Doctor Phibes 9 days ago
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                              @89th said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

                              Yes he has a long record of not paying his debts, companies going bankrupt, and using donations from poor folks to pay off fines.

                              "No one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people"

                              I was only joking

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 15:23 last edited by
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                                Justice Alito and his fellow dissenters were stunned.

                                JUSTICE ALITO, with whom JUSTICE THOMAS, JUSTICE GORSUCH, and JUSTICE KAVANAUGH join, dissenting from the denial of the application to vacate order.
                                Does a single district-court judge who likely lacks jurisdiction have the unchecked power to compel the Government of the United States to pay out (and probably lose forever) 2 billion taxpayer dollars? The answer to that question should be an emphatic “No,” but a majority of this Court apparently thinks otherwise. I am stunned.

                                https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a831_3135.pdf

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 16:57 last edited by jon-nyc 8 days ago
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                                  Odd for a member of the Supreme Court who just formally reviewed the lower court’s order to call it an ‘unchecked power’.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 20:18 last edited by
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                                    He says this like its a bad thing.

                                    (though to be clear I doubt its true)

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 20:19 last edited by
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                                      Also Kavanaugh was hardly looking at him admiringly.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        6 Mar 2025, 16:57

                                        Odd for a member of the Supreme Court who just formally reviewed the lower court’s order to call it an ‘unchecked power’.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 21:00 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

                                        Odd for a member of the Supreme Court who just formally reviewed the lower court’s order to call it an ‘unchecked power’.

                                        The decision he's reacting sets precedent which gives this unchecked power to the lower courts to do this thing.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          6 Mar 2025, 20:18

                                          He says this like its a bad thing.

                                          (though to be clear I doubt its true)

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 6 Mar 2025, 21:01 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in Supreme Court Smacks Trump Around A Little:

                                          He says this like its a bad thing.

                                          (though to be clear I doubt its true)

                                          Body language and facial expression dunks, as dunks go, are bottom-tier.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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