J.D. Speaks
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:15 last edited by
He's half right. But he keeps saying "funding this war forever" (literally no one is saying that), and he said Zelenskyy made false claims (they were actually true claims) during the meeting, such as Europe has paid more than the US, but he is right that the war will run out of money, ammo, and lives eventually so some form of peace is a must. The problem is the appeasement of an enemy.
He did make a point that was half-made during the meeting, but should be an emphasis... if America has an economic stake in the country (e.g., mining rights in the eastern edge) that will be a security half-guarantee that we won't let Putin invade again. Although to be honest, even that deal makes me a little sick. There is a country being invaded, and we will help but only if we suck up their natural resources in exchange for help.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:24 last edited by
Welcome to the real world.
In a time of diminishing resources and a shrinking middle class in America, we can no longer fund or fight wars on principle alone. There must be some overriding national interest to spend blood and treasure.
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:30 last edited by 89th 3 Apr 2025, 14:30
Fair enough, although to be realistic the cost is a drop in the bucket, but still we cannot be the world's police forever.
One could extrapolate this scenario and say if Russia takes Ukraine (which they will, without the US), then they'll likely take Belarus and Moldova next. After that are NATO countries (Lithuania, George!!!), perhaps they'll stop there, but an investment in pushing Russia out of Ukraine now might be very small compared to the cost/lives needed if the conflict grows wider.
Honestly for me it comes down to a violation of our principles and precedent and any deal with Russia will make them stronger, which ultimately makes the new Axis enemy stronger if such a world wide conflict happens in the future. Lots of what-ifs...
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wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:42 last edited by
Poland has the solution. Spend enough to have a competent military and sign defense treaties.
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Fair enough, although to be realistic the cost is a drop in the bucket, but still we cannot be the world's police forever.
One could extrapolate this scenario and say if Russia takes Ukraine (which they will, without the US), then they'll likely take Belarus and Moldova next. After that are NATO countries (Lithuania, George!!!), perhaps they'll stop there, but an investment in pushing Russia out of Ukraine now might be very small compared to the cost/lives needed if the conflict grows wider.
Honestly for me it comes down to a violation of our principles and precedent and any deal with Russia will make them stronger, which ultimately makes the new Axis enemy stronger if such a world wide conflict happens in the future. Lots of what-ifs...
wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 15:13 last edited by@89th said in J.D. Speaks:
but still we cannot be the world's police forever.
Agree, but I think that forever is a long long time. I think that the US still has a role to play like this for the semi long term.
It will only help us also. Pulling back from what has worked for 100+ years is not a good idea at this piont.