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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #3

    Very interesting. I agree the 111 is ethereal and sublime. But at the end of the day the technical demands of 106 are such that it is one of the peaks of piano performance.

    But decent list all the same.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Difficult to play or to listen to?

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        Difficult to play or to listen to?

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        @Copper said in Beethoven Sonatas:

        Difficult to play or to listen to?

        LOL...

        I found it interesting that the "difficulty" doesn't correlate to opus number.

        Of course, put Op 49 aside...

        Nevertheless, Op 7 is ranked as one of the most difficult.

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          #6

          IMO, Beethoven’s second to last sonata was his 31st.

          Education is extremely important.

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            I just remember the Igor Levitt, who is quite an accomplished pianist, had a teacher who had him work on op 2, #2 for 5 years. I'm sure i could play it the first month. It was just torture the next few years. I haven't worked on learning any new ones in many years. Last one I worked on with a teacher was the Waldstein. I've toyed with learning the Op 2 #1 - it's a nice work.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              #8

              I think you played part of the Waldstein at my party back in Brooklyn.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                The past year I have been working on and off at the Andante in D minor march from Beethoven’s Sonata no..15 Op. 28. It pushes my skill level but with patience and perseverance I can manage it. I normally just work on pieces from mid September until end of April then take a break for summer. Don’t think I’ll do that this year, instead plan to practice through despite summer house and yard projects needing attention. Time management discipline will be required.

                That Beethoven march though gives me tremendous uplift and sense of accomplishment every single time I sit down to work on it.

                Elbows up!

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                  Moonlight sonata one of the easiest? Did the author realize that there is such a thing as the third movement?

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                    #11

                    He didn’t have it in the easiest group. It was in the advanced group (2nd easiest). It’s all relative remember.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      The past year I have been working on and off at the Andante in D minor march from Beethoven’s Sonata no..15 Op. 28. It pushes my skill level but with patience and perseverance I can manage it. I normally just work on pieces from mid September until end of April then take a break for summer. Don’t think I’ll do that this year, instead plan to practice through despite summer house and yard projects needing attention. Time management discipline will be required.

                      That Beethoven march though gives me tremendous uplift and sense of accomplishment every single time I sit down to work on it.

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                      @Renauda I LOVE the Op. 28 Beethoven.

                      The last movement is not exeptionally challenging until...the "piu allegro," which Beethoven claims to have written to "discourage the amateurs."

                      Yeah. Really.

                      But, getting back to the second movement. It's "jazzy".

                      Link to video

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                        Look at Sokolov, the master of precision do the 2nd movement.

                        Link to video

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                          He’s a master of articulation. Well a master of everything piano really. But what a treat to watch him play. I love the way he lifts his hands up so high off the keys and still plays so delicately.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            He’s a master of articulation. Well a master of everything piano really. But what a treat to watch him play. I love the way he lifts his hands up so high off the keys and still plays so delicately.

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                            @jon-nyc

                            Have you heard Sokolov’s latest recording on DG? Purcell and Mozart. Exquisite.

                            When I took up piano again after a long hiatus, I started with Purcell pieces. Like Alfred Brendel said of Mozart, “easy for kids to play at recital, but extremely difficult for adults to begin to learn and master”.

                            Elbows up!

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                              I have not but I’ll seek it out.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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