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  • C Copper
    2 Mar 2025, 01:59

    Difficult to play or to listen to?

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    A Former User
    wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 02:01 last edited by
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    @Copper said in Beethoven Sonatas:

    Difficult to play or to listen to?

    LOL...

    I found it interesting that the "difficulty" doesn't correlate to opus number.

    Of course, put Op 49 aside...

    Nevertheless, Op 7 is ranked as one of the most difficult.

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      Horace
      wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 02:03 last edited by Horace 3 Feb 2025, 02:04
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      IMO, Beethoven’s second to last sonata was his 31st.

      Education is extremely important.

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        kluurs
        wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 02:17 last edited by
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        I just remember the Igor Levitt, who is quite an accomplished pianist, had a teacher who had him work on op 2, #2 for 5 years. I'm sure i could play it the first month. It was just torture the next few years. I haven't worked on learning any new ones in many years. Last one I worked on with a teacher was the Waldstein. I've toyed with learning the Op 2 #1 - it's a nice work.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 02:47 last edited by
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          I think you played part of the Waldstein at my party back in Brooklyn.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Renauda
            wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 06:02 last edited by Renauda 3 Feb 2025, 06:20
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            The past year I have been working on and off at the Andante in D minor march from Beethoven’s Sonata no..15 Op. 28. It pushes my skill level but with patience and perseverance I can manage it. I normally just work on pieces from mid September until end of April then take a break for summer. Don’t think I’ll do that this year, instead plan to practice through despite summer house and yard projects needing attention. Time management discipline will be required.

            That Beethoven march though gives me tremendous uplift and sense of accomplishment every single time I sit down to work on it.

            Elbows up!

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              Klaus
              wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 21:24 last edited by
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              Moonlight sonata one of the easiest? Did the author realize that there is such a thing as the third movement?

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 2 Mar 2025, 21:28 last edited by
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                He didn’t have it in the easiest group. It was in the advanced group (2nd easiest). It’s all relative remember.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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                • R Renauda
                  2 Mar 2025, 06:02

                  The past year I have been working on and off at the Andante in D minor march from Beethoven’s Sonata no..15 Op. 28. It pushes my skill level but with patience and perseverance I can manage it. I normally just work on pieces from mid September until end of April then take a break for summer. Don’t think I’ll do that this year, instead plan to practice through despite summer house and yard projects needing attention. Time management discipline will be required.

                  That Beethoven march though gives me tremendous uplift and sense of accomplishment every single time I sit down to work on it.

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                  wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 01:16 last edited by
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                  @Renauda I LOVE the Op. 28 Beethoven.

                  The last movement is not exeptionally challenging until...the "piu allegro," which Beethoven claims to have written to "discourage the amateurs."

                  Yeah. Really.

                  But, getting back to the second movement. It's "jazzy".

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                    wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 01:29 last edited by
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                    Look at Sokolov, the master of precision do the 2nd movement.

                    Link to video

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 01:44 last edited by
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                      He’s a master of articulation. Well a master of everything piano really. But what a treat to watch him play. I love the way he lifts his hands up so high off the keys and still plays so delicately.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • J jon-nyc
                        3 Mar 2025, 01:44

                        He’s a master of articulation. Well a master of everything piano really. But what a treat to watch him play. I love the way he lifts his hands up so high off the keys and still plays so delicately.

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 02:15 last edited by Renauda 3 Mar 2025, 02:17
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                        @jon-nyc

                        Have you heard Sokolov’s latest recording on DG? Purcell and Mozart. Exquisite.

                        When I took up piano again after a long hiatus, I started with Purcell pieces. Like Alfred Brendel said of Mozart, “easy for kids to play at recital, but extremely difficult for adults to begin to learn and master”.

                        Elbows up!

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 3 Mar 2025, 02:29 last edited by
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                          I have not but I’ll seek it out.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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