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Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #59

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    Anti-Vax Cartoon from 1892.

    Curious, I looked up which vaccine was available in 1892. The only widespread vaccine at that time was for smallpox, first developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 using cowpox virus as protection against the deadlier disease.

    Before vaccination, smallpox was one of humanity’s most feared and devastating diseases. It had a mortality rate of about 30% on average (though some outbreaks were far worse), and those who survived were often left with severe scarring or blindness.

    Historians and epidemiologists can’t calculate an exact total, but estimates show that hundreds of millions, likely well over half a billion people, perished from smallpox across recorded history.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      jon-nyc
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      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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      • MikM Offline
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        "Holy shit! A talking dog!!".

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          Maybe the dog is really trans-cat?

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            jon-nyc
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            #63

            If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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            • MikM Offline
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              Just remember the bear cub in Central Park. That tells you everything you need to know about his judgement.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                #65

                And he was 60 when it happened. Not 22.

                If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                  #66

                  A 22-year-old would have concocted a far more plausible story. "I hit a bear cub upstate, put it in my trunk then drove to a dinner party in Manhattan. At the party I realized I had to catch a flight and did not have time to dispose of it properly, so I dumped it in the park and blamed it on bicyclists."

                  When our daughter was approaching teen years we told her, "You and your friends are going to want to do something outside the rules so you will come up with what you think is a foolproof story. We will look at you and say, nah. we don't buy it. You know why? Because we told that same story long before you did.".

                  At 14 I would never have been stupid enough to float a story like RFK's.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    jon-nyc
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                    Wow.

                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                      That is a great opportunity for DeSantis to distance himself from Trump.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      • MikM Mik

                        That is a great opportunity for DeSantis to distance himself from Trump.

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                        @Mik said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

                        That is a great opportunity for DeSantis to distance himself from Trump.

                        Huh ... Doesn't DeSantis also push to remove all vaccine mandates from Florida public school?

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                          There are numerous states where writing a letter of objection is sufficient to get you out of the vax mandate. Hell, Florida might have been one already. But it seems that would have sufficed for any liberty concerns while keeping herd immunity relatively intact.

                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                            Florida Man is making the "if they don't want to wear a helmet or seatbelt, they shouldn't be forced to" argument, which I can understand (but don't agree with in this case). The whooping cough vaccine, for example, doesn't have an impact on transmission of the sickness to others, but it does substantially reduce the severity if someone is exposed to the virus. Anyway, Florida Man is so focused on that "freedom/right" he doesn't realize how foolish and myopic his argument is.

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                              The problem with all those freedom arguments is in so many cases the rest of society ends up footing the bill. Especially helmets.

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                Florida's population has been growing ... maybe the figure they have children to spare?

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                                  Yes you fucking ghoul tool. And the best way to ensure that would have been to vote against the shaman for HHS secretary.

                                  If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                    Who skip childhood vaccination?

                                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/09/15/childhood-vaccines-parents-post-kff-poll/

                                    The American parents who are choosing to skip or delay vaccines for their children are more likely to home-school their children, be White and very religious, identify as Republican or be under 35, ...

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                                    The CDC says 92.5 percent of kindergartners received their MMR vaccines last school year. But those rates are lower in parts of the country, ...

                                    ... but you need 95%+ vaccination rate for herd immunity for MMR to be effective.

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                                      Think of how different that would have been 10 years ago.

                                      4 years ago I was met with contempt here for merely asking the question whether MAGA’s anti-covid vax stance would generalize into Marin-county granola-chick style antivaxx sentiment.

                                      If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                                        Think of how different that would have been 10 years ago.

                                        4 years ago I was met with contempt here for merely asking the question whether MAGA’s anti-covid vax stance would generalize into Marin-county granola-chick style antivaxx sentiment.

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                                        @jon-nyc said in Beyond the antivaxx stuff MAHA is either banal or fake:

                                        Think of how different that would have been 10 years ago.

                                        4 years ago I was met with contempt here for merely asking the question whether MAGA’s anti-covid vax stance would generalize into Marin-county granola-chick style antivaxx sentiment.

                                        It's doubly heart breaking when a champion of mutual respect like you gets treated with contempt. This forum can be sick.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          It wasn’t me so much as the question.

                                          It was as if I asked “do you think vaccine aversion among MAGA will lead to more incest and cousin marriage?”

                                          The mere implication was almost too insulting to dignify, even with a negative response.

                                          And now look at them.

                                          If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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