The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread
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Iran is illegally laying mines in international shipping waters and firing missiles at ships preventing the mine laying.
What ceasefire?
Iranians have no intention of stopping their nuclear weapon programme. They only need maybe two missiles on target to destroy Israel. The civilised Western world need to prevent this proliferation of nuclear arms.
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Do you really think they've been defeated?
While they've no doubt taken a lot of damage, they have effectively gained territory as things stand now. And gained stature, in that our gulf allies are questioning whether we have the ability (yes, ability) and will to protect their interests.
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It's already a done deal that Trump will eventually declare victory, and his opposition will say we lost. That will hold no matter what happens. I'm sure we can look forward to all the empirical evidence from jon's twitter feed that the opposition is right. Meanwhile I'll consume other media which will claim that the administration is right. Then I'll come to my own conclusion, and I won't tell anybody what that is. Because my opinions are pure gold, and I do not give them away for free.
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It's already a done deal that Trump will eventually declare victory, and his opposition will say we lost. That will hold no matter what happens. I'm sure we can look forward to all the empirical evidence from jon's twitter feed that the opposition is right. Meanwhile I'll consume other media which will claim that the administration is right. Then I'll come to my own conclusion, and I won't tell anybody what that is. Because my opinions are pure gold, and I do not give them away for free.
It's already a done deal that Trump will eventually declare victory, and his opposition will say we lost.
Defeat isn't something that Donald Trump understands, which is easy to understand when you consider that he has never lost anything in his entire life. From the instant he exited his mother's birth canal and immediately negotiated a really great deal with the magi from the east who came to honor him his entire existence has been one glorious triumph after another.
Defeat is the only thing in the entire universe that he doesn't know more about than anybody else.
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At the very least Iran's ability to project power either directly or through proxies is severely degraded. The continued blockade will eventually bring their economy to its knees. I don't see any way to claim Iran won this conflict.
Again, this should have been done during W's administration. we would not be very concerned with the amount of enriched uranium.
"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell
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I highly doubt victory or winning applies to either belligerent in this pig’s breakfast:
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At the very least Iran's ability to project power either directly or through proxies is severely degraded. The continued blockade will eventually bring their economy to its knees. I don't see any way to claim Iran won this conflict.
Again, this should have been done during W's administration. we would not be very concerned with the amount of enriched uranium.
At the very least Iran's ability to project power either directly or through proxies is severely degraded. The continued blockade will eventually bring their economy to its knees. I don't see any way to claim Iran won this conflict.
It’s not over yet, but if they retain control of the strait, or are at all times a press release from regaining it, that’s an L for us.
I doubt that would have been a controversial statement prior to February.
I would also say that if the only way we regain a neutral strait and stop enrichment is by giving them something very much like the JPCOA, that’s an L for Trump if not for the USA. That most definitely wouldn’t have been controversial among republicans prior to 2/28.
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