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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #1199

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-long-would-it-take-russia-to-seize-ukraine-un-rep-gives-a-blunt-answer/ar-AA21nEPM

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • MikM Offline
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      wrote last edited by
      #1200

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/will-iran-let-ships-through-in-the-strait-of-hormuz-here-s-what-prediction-market-is-saying/ar-AA21mgvJ?cvpid=01fe292b8b0647a5fa87cff3f8bc6749

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • taiwan_girlT Online
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        taiwan_girl
        wrote last edited by taiwan_girl
        #1201

        Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 12.27.40 PM.png

        Real time ship traffic in Strait of Hormuz. Not too much movement.

        https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:56.4/centery:25.8/zoom:8

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
          wrote last edited by jon-nyc
          #1202

          Peace talks on hold again. Looks like Iran canceled, followed by us.

          Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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          • Tom-KT Offline
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            Tom-K
            wrote last edited by
            #1203

            Gas up your cars ASAP!

            Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote last edited by
              #1204

              What is this? We playing “follow the leader” here?

              I blockade you!
              No, I blockade you!
              I call off the talk!
              No, I call off the talk!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote last edited by
                #1205

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/supreme-leader-no-longer-supreme-who-is-calling-the-shots-in-iran/ar-AA21s1s6

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote last edited by
                  #1206

                  More snakes and ladders.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Tom-KT Offline
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                    Tom-K
                    wrote last edited by
                    #1207

                    Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                    Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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                    • Tom-KT Tom-K

                      Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #1208

                      @Tom-K said:

                      Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                      Move on to .....?

                      I know, Walk me out in the morning dew....

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote last edited by
                        #1209

                        Now then there is no more morning dew

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by
                          #1210

                          I guess it doesn't matter anyway

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote last edited by
                            #1211

                            The money quote:

                            “One of the limits of madman theory is that you always have to be the craziest man,” Miller told Stein. “And right now, he's in a game of chicken with ... the craziest sons of b—— in the world. And so it's like, 'okay. So now... now what?' And you can see what happens, which is he says, ‘Oh, I'm gonna end their civilization,’ or, ‘Oh, I'm not gonna extend the ceasefire,’ or, ‘We're gonna go back at their power plants.’ And then when push comes to shove, it's like he doesn't want to do it.”

                            While the “madman theory” was popularized by another controversial Republican president, Richard Nixon, Trump’s predecessor used this approach only sporadically, only after deliberately plotting his implementation — and could point to achievements like ending the Vietnam War, preventing nuclear war in the Middle East and opening up relations with China. By contrast, as Stein and Miller noted, Trump seems to act impulsively.

                            The difference being that Nixon understood foreign policy, diplomacy and with whom he was dealing. Trump has no clue of any of any of the three.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-trapped-as-his-game-of-chicken-backfires-report/ar-AA21xWij?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=NMTS&cvid=69e9757800c94432a4d2c5d38d00edc6&cvpid=b7fdb46c1386461faa29e6f40bf55ac2&ei=22

                            Elbows up!

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                            • jon-nycJ Offline
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                              wrote last edited by
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                              So Donald Trump is threatening NATO allies for not helping enough in a war they weren’t even consulted on, while Russia helps Iran target U.S. forces and gets waivers on oil sanctions.

                              Make that make sense

                              https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/22/trump-nato-allies-consequences-list-00883619

                              Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                              • taiwan_girlT Online
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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote last edited by
                                #1213

                                Iran refuses to come to more talks in Pakistan. President Trump cancels US personnel (Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner).

                                Was a bit surprised that VP Vance was not scheduled to go this time. Should I read more into that than I should?

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                                • bachophileB Offline
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                                  bachophile
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #1214

                                  Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

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                                  • bachophileB bachophile

                                    Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote last edited by
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                                    @bachophile Ah okay. Thanks!!!

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                                    • bachophileB bachophile

                                      Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                                      #1216

                                      @bachophile said:

                                      Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

                                      More like Rubio is on the Aragchi level. Putin has demonstrated that at most, Witkoff is on the Dmitriev level- that of a favoured nobody. Witkoff has yet to meet Lavrov outside of being seated at the table during the fleeting Alaska Love-in.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #1217

                                        Interesting.

                                        "A Chinese businessman puts Trump’s blunders in perspective. 'Trump’s attack on Iran is less consequential than his threat to attack Greenland. When he did that, to America’s oldest allies, I knew Europe would not follow America’s approach to China.'”

                                        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                        • Tom-KT Offline
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                                          Tom-K
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1218

                                          Here's an interesting analysis by Ryan McBeth explaining why America may just be doing the right thing in taking out Iran's nuclear capability. The real reason is more religious than political.

                                          Link to video

                                          Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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