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The Iran War (was Nuclear Program) thread

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  • MikM Offline
    MikM Offline
    Mik
    wrote last edited by
    #1200

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/will-iran-let-ships-through-in-the-strait-of-hormuz-here-s-what-prediction-market-is-saying/ar-AA21mgvJ?cvpid=01fe292b8b0647a5fa87cff3f8bc6749

    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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    • taiwan_girlT Online
      taiwan_girlT Online
      taiwan_girl
      wrote last edited by taiwan_girl
      #1201

      Screenshot 2026-04-21 at 12.27.40 PM.png

      Real time ship traffic in Strait of Hormuz. Not too much movement.

      https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:56.4/centery:25.8/zoom:8

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote last edited by jon-nyc
        #1202

        Peace talks on hold again. Looks like Iran canceled, followed by us.

        Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        • Tom-KT Offline
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          Tom-K
          wrote last edited by
          #1203

          Gas up your cars ASAP!

          Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote last edited by
            #1204

            What is this? We playing “follow the leader” here?

            I blockade you!
            No, I blockade you!
            I call off the talk!
            No, I call off the talk!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote last edited by
              #1205

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/supreme-leader-no-longer-supreme-who-is-calling-the-shots-in-iran/ar-AA21s1s6

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by
                #1206

                More snakes and ladders.

                Elbows up!

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                • Tom-KT Offline
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                  Tom-K
                  wrote last edited by
                  #1207

                  Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                  Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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                  • Tom-KT Tom-K

                    Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                    RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                    #1208

                    @Tom-K said:

                    Can we please just bomb them to hell and move on?

                    Move on to .....?

                    I know, Walk me out in the morning dew....

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote last edited by
                      #1209

                      Now then there is no more morning dew

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by
                        #1210

                        I guess it doesn't matter anyway

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote last edited by
                          #1211

                          The money quote:

                          “One of the limits of madman theory is that you always have to be the craziest man,” Miller told Stein. “And right now, he's in a game of chicken with ... the craziest sons of b—— in the world. And so it's like, 'okay. So now... now what?' And you can see what happens, which is he says, ‘Oh, I'm gonna end their civilization,’ or, ‘Oh, I'm not gonna extend the ceasefire,’ or, ‘We're gonna go back at their power plants.’ And then when push comes to shove, it's like he doesn't want to do it.”

                          While the “madman theory” was popularized by another controversial Republican president, Richard Nixon, Trump’s predecessor used this approach only sporadically, only after deliberately plotting his implementation — and could point to achievements like ending the Vietnam War, preventing nuclear war in the Middle East and opening up relations with China. By contrast, as Stein and Miller noted, Trump seems to act impulsively.

                          The difference being that Nixon understood foreign policy, diplomacy and with whom he was dealing. Trump has no clue of any of any of the three.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-trapped-as-his-game-of-chicken-backfires-report/ar-AA21xWij?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=NMTS&cvid=69e9757800c94432a4d2c5d38d00edc6&cvpid=b7fdb46c1386461faa29e6f40bf55ac2&ei=22

                          Elbows up!

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            wrote last edited by
                            #1212

                            So Donald Trump is threatening NATO allies for not helping enough in a war they weren’t even consulted on, while Russia helps Iran target U.S. forces and gets waivers on oil sanctions.

                            Make that make sense

                            https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/22/trump-nato-allies-consequences-list-00883619

                            Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                            • taiwan_girlT Online
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                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote last edited by
                              #1213

                              Iran refuses to come to more talks in Pakistan. President Trump cancels US personnel (Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner).

                              Was a bit surprised that VP Vance was not scheduled to go this time. Should I read more into that than I should?

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                              • bachophileB Offline
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                                bachophile
                                wrote last edited by
                                #1214

                                Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

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                                • bachophileB bachophile

                                  Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girlT Online
                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #1215

                                  @bachophile Ah okay. Thanks!!!

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                                  • bachophileB bachophile

                                    Vance wasnt on the agenda because Ghalibaf wasnt going. Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                                    #1216

                                    @bachophile said:

                                    Steve and Jared are at the Aragchi level.

                                    More like Rubio is on the Aragchi level. Putin has demonstrated that at most, Witkoff is on the Dmitriev level- that of a favoured nobody. Witkoff has yet to meet Lavrov outside of being seated at the table during the fleeting Alaska Love-in.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #1217

                                      Interesting.

                                      "A Chinese businessman puts Trump’s blunders in perspective. 'Trump’s attack on Iran is less consequential than his threat to attack Greenland. When he did that, to America’s oldest allies, I knew Europe would not follow America’s approach to China.'”

                                      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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                                      • Tom-KT Offline
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                                        Tom-K
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #1218

                                        Here's an interesting analysis by Ryan McBeth explaining why America may just be doing the right thing in taking out Iran's nuclear capability. The real reason is more religious than political.

                                        Link to video

                                        Ego similis habere bonum et non curat nunquam accipere malum.

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                                        • taiwan_girlT Online
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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1219

                                          Interesting to see what happens. Will the republicans do something or just do nothing?

                                          The Trump administration is on course to blow past an initial deadline for congressional approval for the Iran war on the grounds that the ongoing cease-fire stopped the clock on a 60-day deadline—an assertion met with outrage from Democrats and skepticism from Republicans on Capitol Hill.

                                          Under a 1973 law called the War Powers Resolution, the president is required to notify Congress within 48 hours of military action and withdraw U.S. troops 60 days later, unless lawmakers declare war or authorize the use of force. The expectation on Capitol Hill was that the 60-day deadline expires on Friday.

                                          In testimony Thursday before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the current cease-fire with Iran, which began April 8, stopped the countdown.

                                          https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-iran-congress-approval-deadline-ff546611

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