The Iran Nuclear Program thread
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All clear. Now let’s see what’s the damage
wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 13:51 last edited by@bachophile said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
All clear. Now let’s see what’s the damage
stay safe!!
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 13:54 last edited by
@jon-nyc Interesting video. Just wondering why it was necessary to send decoy planes to the west.
(Minor point, but Who are they trying to fool? I think everybody pretty much knew what was potentially going to happen. The Iran nuclear plants are so big and so complex, it is not like you could pack things up, put them in a car trunk and drive it somewhere else.)
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 13:59 last edited by
Six craters in Fordo.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:01 last edited by
Wow. Fourteen MOPs.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:04 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
We’ll see what comes of this.
It’s not the 70’s. That will negatively affect UAB, Oman, and Asian countries. China, Japan, South Korea, etc… Very little of that oil goes to the west.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:08 last edited by
Except oil is fungible so if you cut off supply anywhere those not getting it will seek it elsewhere and bid up prices.
Though I agrees this wouldn’t be nearly as painful as it was 50 years ago.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:10 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:24 last edited by jon-nyc
@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
Wow. Fourteen MOPs.
Imagine the impact. They drop a 30,000lb skinny aerodynamic bomb from 40,000 ft. It’s going Mach 1+ when it hits. 80% of the weight is the casing. It can go through 200ft of 5,000 psi concrete. Then the 5,000 bomb goes off.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 14:43 last edited by
The morning news shows are trying their best to slam the raid.
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How about the Trump admin managing not to leak any details of this op before it happened. I'm proud of them.
wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 15:17 last edited by jon-nyc@Horace said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
How about the Trump admin managing not to leak any details of this op before it happened. I'm proud of them.
Apparently there were leaks if you run in conservative columnist circles.
Also NYT gave a heads up that it was imminent but that was an Israeli source.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 15:33 last edited by
I wonder how you even do damage assessment for something like Fordo. Probably sigint from the Iranians once they figure it out. Which may well take months.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 15:47 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 15:49 last edited by
FoxNews says at least one pilot was female.
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@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
Wow. Fourteen MOPs.
Imagine the impact. They drop a 30,000lb skinny aerodynamic bomb from 40,000 ft. It’s going Mach 1+ when it hits. 80% of the weight is the casing. It can go through 200ft of 5,000 psi concrete. Then the 5,000 bomb goes off.
wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 15:53 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
@Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
Wow. Fourteen MOPs.
Imagine the impact. They drop a 30,000lb skinny aerodynamic bomb from 40,000 ft. It’s going Mach 1+ when it hits. 80% of the weight is the casing. It can go through 200ft of 5,000 psi concrete. Then the 5,000 bomb goes off.
They are effectively Rods from God weapon systems.
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@Horace said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
How about the Trump admin managing not to leak any details of this op before it happened. I'm proud of them.
Apparently there were leaks if you run in conservative columnist circles.
Also NYT gave a heads up that it was imminent but that was an Israeli source.
wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 16:02 last edited by@jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
@Horace said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
How about the Trump admin managing not to leak any details of this op before it happened. I'm proud of them.
Apparently there were leaks if you run in conservative columnist circles.
Also NYT gave a heads up that it was imminent but that was an Israeli source.
One step away from a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Careful there. I'm sure the buzz didn't make its way to twitter, out of deference to the administration.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 16:40 last edited by jon-nyc
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 17:36 last edited by Mik
I think it true that Iran did not pose an existential threat to threat to the US, unlike they did to Israel. But certainly a threat.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 18:23 last edited by Horace
Categorical statements like "no threat" are always wrong. It's just a matter of whether one wants to interpret language with some good will towards the speaker.
I feel there are plenty enough unknowns here to at least allow that reasonable people can be on either side of the discussion of whether this was a good idea for the US.
For my part, I'll go ahead and Trust Israel and the US intelligence apparatuses, and cautiously take them at their word that the world is today a safer place for both Israel and the US, as compared to what it was before Israel attacked Iran. Plus, those bombs were pretty awesome. Amazingly awesome.
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Categorical statements like "no threat" are always wrong. It's just a matter of whether one wants to interpret language with some good will towards the speaker.
I feel there are plenty enough unknowns here to at least allow that reasonable people can be on either side of the discussion of whether this was a good idea for the US.
For my part, I'll go ahead and Trust Israel and the US intelligence apparatuses, and cautiously take them at their word that the world is today a safer place for both Israel and the US, as compared to what it was before Israel attacked Iran. Plus, those bombs were pretty awesome. Amazingly awesome.
wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 18:33 last edited by kluurs@Horace said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:
I feel there are plenty enough unknowns here to at least allow that reasonable people can be on either side of the discussion of whether this was a good idea
All of what you said was expressed very reasonably, but this is the part that sometimes gets lost.
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wrote on 22 Jun 2025, 19:14 last edited by
To think otherwise is to believe oneself prescient. I
There were good arguments both ways but ultimately one must make a decision. Now that’s been done it’s time to get behind it and the country.
