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Chasing savings or clicks?

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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    @jon-nyc said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

    It's not even a question. The RTO and early "retirement" stuff is (IMO) going cost about 3-5x more in the end to the taxpayer. It's a very, very expensive marketing campaign.

    If they were serious about cutting costs they would do something like:

    • Require all agencies to reduce their workforce by 20% over two years. Let leadership pick those that add no value.
    • Modify contracts and agency budgets to incentivize coming in underbudget, share a portion of the profit back to the contract/agency
    • Establish a budget ceiling and/or tie it to GDP or whatever @LuFins-Dad says

    I think most of this was tried in 2011 with the Budget Act by Obama, btw.

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      @jon-nyc said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

      It's not even a question. The RTO and early "retirement" stuff is (IMO) going cost about 3-5x more in the end to the taxpayer. It's a very, very expensive marketing campaign.

      If they were serious about cutting costs they would do something like:

      • Require all agencies to reduce their workforce by 20% over two years. Let leadership pick those that add no value.
      • Modify contracts and agency budgets to incentivize coming in underbudget, share a portion of the profit back to the contract/agency
      • Establish a budget ceiling and/or tie it to GDP or whatever @LuFins-Dad says

      I think most of this was tried in 2011 with the Budget Act by Obama, btw.

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      @89th said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

      It's not even a question. The RTO and early "retirement" stuff is (IMO) going cost about 3-5x more in the end to the taxpayer. It's a very, very expensive marketing campaign.

      Does Elon know this?

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        I'm an Elon fan, in general. I'm not sure what is going on now, so far based on what the DOGE site has published, it seems it's mostly chasing headlines (and existing known facts) rather than actual earnest reform. Part of me thinks his autistic side is addicted to the power of the Presidency and he can't disconnect.

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          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • 89th8 89th

            I'm an Elon fan, in general. I'm not sure what is going on now, so far based on what the DOGE site has published, it seems it's mostly chasing headlines (and existing known facts) rather than actual earnest reform. Part of me thinks his autistic side is addicted to the power of the Presidency and he can't disconnect.

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            @89th said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

            I'm an Elon fan,

            This cannot last.

            Education is extremely important.

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              @jon-nyc said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

              It is highly inappropriate, but until there are spines in the Legislative Branch or respect for the Judicial Branch, we are just observers...

              BTW, most federal employees (through 2024) can be found in this database. Salary, agency, etc... There is a reason there is transparency, at least most of the time.

              https://www.fedsdatacenter.com/federal-pay-rates/

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                @89th said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

                I'm an Elon fan,

                This cannot last.

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                @Horace said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

                @89th said in Chasing savings or clicks?:

                I'm an Elon fan,

                This cannot last.

                Respect has certainly gone down as he's gone down this weird political/power/autistic rabbit hole. Before Trump, Elon was a loud critic of government spending and the looming bankruptcy it'll cause, but his approach here to treat the federal government like twitter is neither effective nor prudent.

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                  I'll wait and see, while weathering the storm of rhetorical dunks every step of the way. These are big ideas, and blunt objects, and I'm not expecting surgical precision. I'm hoping for net good results, at some point. I like to see them trying.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Link to video

                    In the above video, please note how fast the debt is piling up.

                    We can either address it or do a Weimar.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      As long as both tribes think the other will benefit more from fiscal responsibility, there will be no agreement. We'd prefer to die together with our enemy than watch them win.

                      Education is extremely important.

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