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Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #1

    Trump is demanding a higher percentage of Ukraine’s GDP than the Allies demanded from Germany as reparations after WW-I.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #2

      So based on that we can expect Ukraine's Weimar hyperinflation, and the start of WW III.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        Mike Waltz, 2022: $40b for Ukraine is a good investment. For those of us who want to focus on China, UKR is taking care of the RUS military for us and we ought to support that.

        Waltz, 2025: The American people deserve to have payback for the billions they have invested.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nyc
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          #4

          MRGA.

          IMG_2946.jpeg

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #5

            "Ukraine cannot possibly meet his $500bn demand in any meaningful timeframe, leaving aside the larger matter of whether it is honourable to treat a victim nation in this fashion after it has held the battle line for the liberal democracies at enormous sacrifice for three years. Who really has a debt to whom, may one ask?"

            As one pundit put it a few days ago:

            “Ukraine is getting its legs broken in the alley behind the restaurant - and Trump’s demanding that they hand over their wallet while it’s happening”.

            Elbows up!

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              taiwan_girl
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              #6

              Aye Yai Yai!

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              • jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nycJ Online
                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #7

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
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                  #8

                  KYIV, Feb 19 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy on Wednesday rejected U.S. demands for $500 billion in mineral wealth from Ukraine to repay Washington for wartime aid, saying the United States had supplied nowhere near that sum so far and offered no specific security guarantees in the agreement….

                  Zelenskiy has said the proposed deal did not contain the security provisions Ukraine desperately needs to protect it from Russian aggression. He said the draft deal proposed the U.S. taking ownership of 50% of Ukraine's critical minerals….

                  ”I was told: only 50 (percent). I said: OK, "I defend Ukraine, I can't sell our country. I said OK, give us some sort of positive. You write some sort of guarantees, and we will write a memorandum... some sort of percentages," he said.

                  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-us-minerals-deal-says-i-cant-sell-ukraine-2025-02-19/

                  Elbows up!

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #9

                    I guess Zelensky thinks it's in his interest to publicize every step of these negotiations. Maybe he's right.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #10

                      @Horace

                      Just as does Trump and Putin, except that those two cynically make shit up as they go along.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • A Offline
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                        AndyD
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                        #11

                        I presume Zelensky has been told that members of NATO sign up to a rather wishy washy Article 5 which allows for individual members to decide their own response to any invasion.
                        Anything from nothing to nukes I guess.

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                          Renauda
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                          #12

                          I am sure Zelenskyi is fully aware of the voluntary nature of Art. 5

                          Regardless it is a better guarantee for Ukrainian security than the either this rejected US proposal or the Budapest Memorandum

                          Elbows up!

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                          • jon-nycJ Online
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                            jon-nyc
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                            #13

                            Someone asked the question, had the Kremlin been in charge of US Foreign Policy statements for the last two weeks, how different would they have been?

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                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Renauda
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                              #14

                              WASHINGTON, Feb 20 (Reuters) - The White House continued to press Kyiv on Thursday with its efforts to bring an end to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, urging it to rein in criticism and quickly sign a minerals deal pushed by U.S. President Donald Trump.

                              https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-adviser-urges-ukraine-tone-down-criticism-2025-02-20/

                              The Ukrainian position is clear, they want specific security guarantees against future Russian aggression written into the deal before they will sign. Waltz knows this as well.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nyc
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                                #15

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
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                                  #16

                                  It seems Trumpigula is becoming madder by the hour.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    #17

                                    I honestly never thought I'd see the day when a US President, and least of all a Republican, would behave like this.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Horace
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                                      #18

                                      I can't even sniff a vague scent of hope that maybe Trump will end this war, necessarily on terms that Ukraine agrees to. Nor a recognition that if Harris had been elected, we'd still be on forever war rails, just like it was under Biden.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #19

                                        Do you have such hope?

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Do you have such hope?

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @jon-nyc Sure.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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